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[TheBoy]

Perhaps it just my view but I wouldn't build a PC anymore without an SSD as the primary drive - the benefits of boot speed for me anyway outweigh the (fairly small) cost of it.

If you have a home NAS I can't see why you would really need more than a 100gb SSD

Reading Lizzie Zoom's previous posts about HDDs, I'd wager she hasn't got a NAS, nor needs one.

I (worthwhile) 100Gb SSD is going to add around £70 to build cost, and with no other storage, still needs a traditional HDD.  If speed, particularly boot speed, is of the utmost importance, then yes, I'd agree.  In this case, I don't think the cost/benefit makes it worthwhile. But easily added in the future if required.

SSDs are usually considered too unreliable for long term data storage, although have improved dramatically in the last couple of years. And they still wear out faster than a spinning platter.

[Steve B]

Perhaps it just my view but I wouldn't build a PC anymore without an SSD as the primary drive - the benefits of boot speed for me anyway outweigh the (fairly small) cost of it.

If you have a home NAS I can't see why you would really need more than a 100gb SSD

Reading Lizzie Zoom's previous posts about HDDs, I'd wager she hasn't got a NAS, nor needs one.

I (worthwhile) 100Gb SSD is going to add around £70 to build cost, and with no other storage, still needs a traditional HDD.  If speed, particularly boot speed, is of the utmost importance, then yes, I'd agree.  In this case, I don't think the cost/benefit makes it worthwhile. But easily added in the future if required.

SSDs are usually considered too unreliable for long term data storage, although have improved dramatically in the last couple of years. And they still wear out faster than a spinning platter.

So are you saying these are still in there early days of development, And are not yet a replacement for the sata spinning platter drive in a home pc setup.

[Johnny English]

500 GB hard disk drive

Congrats on your new purchasing enjoy as long as you can! 
Do you think anyway that 500 giga enough?  Once my wifey complained that she had not place on the machine, well, I found loads of videos about wedding of unknown people, tons of pointless pics and power point "masterpieces". Finally I bought a DVD pack, saved them off and voila!

Laszlo

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Well after 5 years with my old one, I have now had a new desktop built by the company who supply many to educational instutions, including universities, and their students, Reach Data of Coventry.

I took delivery yesterday of (for those who are knowledgeable on these things!):

In a black tiower,
Intel Core i3-3240 CPU
Motherboard for Intel CPU with on-board VGA, sound, network adapters
4 GB memory module
500 GB hard disk drive
DVDRW rewriter drive
Wireless network adapter,
Octigen Midi Tower Case
Apline2 PSU for midi tower case
MS Windows 8 Home Premium
MS Office 2013 PRO DSA

The Windows 8 has been modified for me so it is not operated on a touch screen, but via a traditional mouse, with a "start" button for straight forward, simple, operation.

Now I know the geeks on here will find fault with the chosen system, but for me it is already a delight after using it for 24 hours.  I love the new Windows 8 dispay icons, which I click on. The extra speed is very noticable and now I am really seeing the advantages of being on BT Ifinity Broadband.

Sounds a balanced PC Lizzie, unlike most of what is advertised. Granted, HDD is tiny by todays standards, but if you don't need more....




Windows 8.1 out next month, should be a freebie upgrade (via Windows Update) for you.

Thanks TB

But will that come without the "start"  button  as with the latest original W 8 version, which I have had over written?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I doubt Lizzie will be getting towards the limits of Cat5e cables, even poor quality ones.

The Homehub's Wifi is probably at the better end of ISP provided router Wifi, so range should be "good enough" in most modest homes.  Its the throughput that poor. Not necessarily the fault of the router, just the physics of Wifi.


Lizzie,
For eg, my laptop on Wifi (router is capable of 450Mbps, laptop is standard G) bottoms out at about 17Mbps. On an (150) N adapter in laptop, it bottoms out at about 25Mbps.

Part of my problem is from my living room, I can "see" 34 different WiFi networks.

Thanks TB, but I do not use Wi-Fi and instead use cable throughout.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Perhaps it just my view but I wouldn't build a PC anymore without an SSD as the primary drive - the benefits of boot speed for me anyway outweigh the (fairly small) cost of it.

If you have a home NAS I can't see why you would really need more than a 100gb SSD

Reading Lizzie Zoom's previous posts about HDDs, I'd wager she hasn't got a NAS, nor needs one.

I (worthwhile) 100Gb SSD is going to add around £70 to build cost, and with no other storage, still needs a traditional HDD.  If speed, particularly boot speed, is of the utmost importance, then yes, I'd agree.  In this case, I don't think the cost/benefit makes it worthwhile. But easily added in the future if required.

SSDs are usually considered too unreliable for long term data storage, although have improved dramatically in the last couple of years. And they still wear out faster than a spinning platter.

The HDD has worked perfectly in allowing me to transfer document files and picture files from the old PC to the new.  It was very fast and highly efficient for me - and I do not know what a 'NAS' is!

The HDD will be a useful device for data I want to transfer, without the need for a laptop.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

500 GB hard disk drive

Congrats on your new purchasing enjoy as long as you can! 
Do you think anyway that 500 giga enough?  Once my wifey complained that she had not place on the machine, well, I found loads of videos about wedding of unknown people, tons of pointless pics and power point "masterpieces". Finally I bought a DVD pack, saved them off and voila!

Laszlo

For me Laszo, more than enough

[dbug]

Well after 5 years with my old one, I have now had a new desktop built by the company who supply many to educational instutions, including universities, and their students, Reach Data of Coventry.

I took delivery yesterday of (for those who are knowledgeable on these things!):

In a black tiower,
Intel Core i3-3240 CPU
Motherboard for Intel CPU with on-board VGA, sound, network adapters
4 GB memory module
500 GB hard disk drive
DVDRW rewriter drive
Wireless network adapter,
Octigen Midi Tower Case
Apline2 PSU for midi tower case
MS Windows 8 Home Premium
MS Office 2013 PRO DSA

The Windows 8 has been modified for me so it is not operated on a touch screen, but via a traditional mouse, with a "start" button for straight forward, simple, operation.

Now I know the geeks on here will find fault with the chosen system, but for me it is already a delight after using it for 24 hours.  I love the new Windows 8 dispay icons, which I click on. The extra speed is very noticable and now I am really seeing the advantages of being on BT Ifinity Broadband.

Sounds a balanced PC Lizzie, unlike most of what is advertised. Granted, HDD is tiny by todays standards, but if you don't need more....




Windows 8.1 out next month, should be a freebie upgrade (via Windows Update) for you.

Thanks TB

But will that come without the "start"  button  as with the latest original W 8 version, which I have had over written?

Start button should stay put if you just update Lizzie.  If not just download Start Menu 8 (free program from http://www.iobit.com/iobitstartmenu8.php) as Windows 8 has no built in setting to enable or disable the start button and start menu.

[TheBoy]

The 8.1 on MSDN has option to boot to desktop, and has a bit of a start button.

[dbug]

The 8.1 on MSDN has option to boot to desktop, and has a bit of a start button.

Think you've hit nail on the head there Jaime - "a bit of a start button", but maybe not a "complete, conventional" one ie. no start menu as such - 3rd party add ons may still be required for full functionality.

Believe RTM version now available - not yet seen it myself.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Well after 5 years with my old one, I have now had a new desktop built by the company who supply many to educational instutions, including universities, and their students, Reach Data of Coventry.

I took delivery yesterday of (for those who are knowledgeable on these things!):

In a black tiower,
Intel Core i3-3240 CPU
Motherboard for Intel CPU with on-board VGA, sound, network adapters
4 GB memory module
500 GB hard disk drive
DVDRW rewriter drive
Wireless network adapter,
Octigen Midi Tower Case
Apline2 PSU for midi tower case
MS Windows 8 Home Premium
MS Office 2013 PRO DSA

The Windows 8 has been modified for me so it is not operated on a touch screen, but via a traditional mouse, with a "start" button for straight forward, simple, operation.

Now I know the geeks on here will find fault with the chosen system, but for me it is already a delight after using it for 24 hours.  I love the new Windows 8 dispay icons, which I click on. The extra speed is very noticable and now I am really seeing the advantages of being on BT Ifinity Broadband.

Sounds a balanced PC Lizzie, unlike most of what is advertised. Granted, HDD is tiny by todays standards, but if you don't need more....




Windows 8.1 out next month, should be a freebie upgrade (via Windows Update) for you.

Thanks TB

But will that come without the "start"  button  as with the latest original W 8 version, which I have had over written?

Start button should stay put if you just update Lizzie.  If not just download Start Menu 8 (free program from http://www.iobit.com/iobitstartmenu8.php) as Windows 8 has no built in setting to enable or disable the start button and start menu.

Thanks dbug

[Rods2]

Microsoft should get out of their ivory tower and actually ask users of their poor software, what they actually need to get the job done. This is all an OS is there for and Microsoft have got it down to a fine art in setting up obstructive systems that make what should be easy very difficult.

[TheBoy]

Microsoft should get out of their ivory tower and actually ask users of their poor software, what they actually need to get the job done. This is all an OS is there for and Microsoft have got it down to a fine art in setting up obstructive systems that make what should be easy very difficult.

Windows 8 is an absolutely fantatsic OS. Genuinely the best Windows ever. Just with a ill-considered user interface

[Rods2]

Unfortunately an OS's most important function is the man machine interface and MS have IMO been getting this more and more wrong since Windows XP, which was their high point.

This chart shows I'm not the only one that thinks that where people are voting with their money and feet and MS is getting itself into big trouble with Windows with Android becoming the de facto OS.

http://e.businessinsider.com/public/1921301

I have been recently looking at the new Google Android programming language Go or GoLang. It looks like this will be a competitor and may well replace Java. I think when I have some spare time I will start experimenting with this, where I'm going to be more involved in mobile development in a number of areas from next year onwards.

[TheBoy]

Unfortunately an OS's most important function is the man machine interface and MS have IMO been getting this more and more wrong since Windows XP, which was their high point.

I'd agree that Win8 is a step too far, but Vista and Win7 had fantastic interfaces. Vista got slated by those too lazy to understand the new way of working, esp by those in the IT industry, embarrassingly.

XP's interface was, and remains horrid if you came from W2K/NT4. Probably a godsend if you came from that awful Win9x, where the novelty of the system being able to run for more than 5 minutes made Tellytubby Land welcoming....