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Nickbat

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Re: Warning snake oil peddlers at work again!
« Reply #15 on: 27 September 2013, 22:42:27 »

"... What is clear is that climate change is already costing us dearly, and that when combined with growing population and urbanisation, is projected to disrupt regional and global energy, food, water and health security.
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Prof Julia Slingo
UK Met Office Chief Scientist "

Is that really science she's talking about...or just propaganda?

Incidentally, if you type "Senna the Soothsayer" into Google, guess whose name pops up first? ;) ;D ;D
(H/T to a commenter on the Bishop Hill blog)

Perhaps I should explain further:

Do you remember the Frankie Howard comedy called " Up Pompeii"? In that comedy, Senna the Soothsayer's favourite expression was "Woe, woe and thrice woe!" - constantly seeing doom in Lurcio's future, except that she was usually wrong ...

Now, go and type in "Senna the Soothsayer" into the Google search and see whose name comes up first!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Warning snake oil peddlers at work again!
« Reply #16 on: 28 September 2013, 00:47:27 »

Daily Fail: "UN scientists reveal the world's barely got any hotter in the last 15 years"

By barely hotter they mean 0.6C since 1950.  0.6C on the average is actually a lot meaning a big rise in severe weather events:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Global_temperature_1ka.png

Try looking at this data, where they have discovered bias in climate scientist datasets. Now there's a surprise, why let the facts get in the way of a good scare story and a good draw on hard earned, by us, taxpayers money.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/28/manns-hockey-stick-disappears-and-crus-briffa-helps-make-the-mwp-live-again-by-pointing-out-bias-in-ther-data/

The data for the graphs in your link are for northern Sweden, not global.  Hence the much lower C figures.They don't seem to make that very clear. 

Generally people are biased when money is involved.  This especially applies to intelligent people such as most scientists tend to be.  Guess where the money is?  Of course some people are just biased because they are ignorant and/or read papers favouring big money like the Daily Fail. 
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Re: Warning snake oil peddlers at work again!
« Reply #17 on: 28 September 2013, 12:36:16 »

The data for the graphs in your link are for northern Sweden, not global.  Hence the much lower C figures.They don't seem to make that very clear. 

Generally people are biased when money is involved.  This especially applies to intelligent people such as most scientists tend to be.  Guess where the money is?  Of course some people are just biased because they are ignorant and/or read papers favouring big money like the Daily Fail.

Huh?  ??? ??? ???

Most of the dendrochronology samples come from Scandinavia/Russia as they have been preserved by the conditions. Not much use trying to get tree ring samples going back a thousand years from wood that has deteriorated. Whilst many question the usefulness of dendrochronological data, it has been used by some of the main proponents of AGW (like Mann).
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Re: Warning snake oil peddlers at work again!
« Reply #18 on: 28 September 2013, 17:03:14 »

According to that UN report, us humans are 95% responsible for climate change.

Does that mean there is a 5% chance it's actually being caused by angry alien ants with a big magnifying glass?

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Re: Warning snake oil peddlers at work again!
« Reply #19 on: 29 September 2013, 19:03:28 »

Peter Wolf The IPCC tries to move the goalposts again, where before they said it would be significant if there was no warming for 15 years and it is now 17 years, so now they say it has to be 30 years before it is significant. Still I guess at least another 13 years of big fat salaries and pension pots at our expense means they will try and play this game for as long as possible.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2436710/Met-office-proof-global-warming-pause-climate-summit-confirms-global-temperature-stopped-rising.html
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Re: Warning snake oil peddlers at work again!
« Reply #20 on: 29 September 2013, 19:07:48 »

According to that UN report, us humans are 95% responsible for climate change.

Does that mean there is a 5% chance it's actually being caused by angry alien ants with a big magnifying glass?

;D

Nah, it's that Marvin the Martian and his big oops off laser pistol. ;D
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