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[Richie London]

http://wepokers.blogspot.com/2008/05/microsoft-confirms-windows-7-for-2010.html

[dbug]

Judging by past performance 2010 doesn't look hopeful - add at least 18 months!!

[TheBoy]

I think it may be out in beta fairly soon (then expect release in 18months or so)  

MS ain't too pleased with Vista's take up, so keen to get it out.

[Richie London]

i have xp, my kids have vista and i dont like it

richie

[TheBoy]

i have xp, my kids have vista and i dont like it

richie

Vista's biggest problem is that people do not like change. Same as XP's biggest problem was that people didn't like it as it was different to Windows 2000 (or 98, for those too slow to understand NT).

There's little doubt that Vista is a more robust, secure OS, and faster on modern hardware.  XP was pretty secure if used properly but most users insisted on running as Admin. Idiots.

[tomoco]

Judging by the marketing success of 'VISTA' with all its "BELLS & WHISTLES' over XP Pro. best not get to excited. I think one pc magazine called VISTA " The worst upgrade ever"
Suppose we'll have to wait and see

[TheBoy]

Judging by the marketing success of 'VISTA' with all its "BELLS & WHISTLES' over XP Pro. best not get to excited. I think one pc magazine called VISTA " The worst upgrade ever"
Suppose we'll have to wait and see

Vista actually makes massive sense for XP Pro users - reason for getting XP Pro is you are part of an Active Directory.  Vista has massive enhancements for corporate users, allowing much better centralised control.

For Home use, Vista makes sense due to most home users running XP dangerously with full admin rights - ideal for virus and malware writers.

Any IT mag that comes up with such a statement are obviously a bunch of amateurs, and do not understand, and are miffed that their old games or hookey software doesn't run too well on it - ie, likes of Computer Shopper etc.

[tomoco]

Hi TB, dont get me wrong, vista is a very good upgrade from xp pro. my points were aimed at the initial launch of vista when there were massive compatability problems. i was one of the first wave of people to go out and buy a retail copy . but the problems i had trying to install it you would'nt believe. you could'nt get drivers for anything. i even had to use an xp emulator to fool my printer and scanner into thinking i was still running xp.
These days things are much better and most things are vista ready (plug and play). i just hope that windows 7 is launched in a more proffesioal way and Microsoft do the ground work before launch, not after.
Did'nt mean to slag off the OS just the way it was launched.
Mark

[JamesV6CDX]

i have xp, my kids have vista and i dont like it

richie

Vista's biggest problem is that people do not like change. Same as XP's biggest problem was that people didn't like it as it was different to Windows 2000 (or 98, for those too slow to understand NT).

There's little doubt that Vista is a more robust, secure OS, and faster on modern hardware.  XP was pretty secure if used properly but most users insisted on running as Admin. Idiots.

You can't beat NT 4 SP6

[Gaffers]

i have xp, my kids have vista and i dont like it

richie

Vista's biggest problem is that people do not like change. Same as XP's biggest problem was that people didn't like it as it was different to Windows 2000 (or 98, for those too slow to understand NT).

There's little doubt that Vista is a more robust, secure OS, and faster on modern hardware.  XP was pretty secure if used properly but most users insisted on running as Admin. Idiots.

You can't beat NT 4 SP6

Showing your age now James      

[Gaffers]

Judging by the marketing success of 'VISTA' with all its "BELLS & WHISTLES' over XP Pro. best not get to excited. I think one pc magazine called VISTA " The worst upgrade ever"
Suppose we'll have to wait and see

Vista actually makes massive sense for XP Pro users - reason for getting XP Pro is you are part of an Active Directory.  Vista has massive enhancements for corporate users, allowing much better centralised control.

For Home use, Vista makes sense due to most home users running XP dangerously with full admin rights - ideal for virus and malware writers.

Any IT mag that comes up with such a statement are obviously a bunch of amateurs, and do not understand, and are miffed that their old games or hookey software doesn't run too well on it - ie, likes of Computer Shopper etc.

TB makes sense here, many people 'think' they know about computers when they actually dont.  I started programming on a BBC when I was 8, degree in Networks and comms, and spent 5 years as a programmer in France before joining the army (long story) and even now I dont profess to know'everything'.  I know a bit but often I find myself implementing other people's techie advice very well.

Back to Vista, Microsoft had to take these people away from an interface that was too technical and which integrates more with peripherals, etc.  Look at the solid following Mac has just because of such an approach to the working of the OS.  Windows 7 looks like it may be the rehash to 98 that 2000 was. ie much of the same with a few extra add-ons but essentially the same!

Geek on, Garth!  

[TheBoy]

Hi TB, dont get me wrong, vista is a very good upgrade from xp pro. my points were aimed at the initial launch of vista when there were massive compatability problems. i was one of the first wave of people to go out and buy a retail copy . but the problems i had trying to install it you would'nt believe. you could'nt get drivers for anything. i even had to use an xp emulator to fool my printer and scanner into thinking i was still running xp.
These days things are much better and most things are vista ready (plug and play). i just hope that windows 7 is launched in a more proffesioal way and Microsoft do the ground work before launch, not after.
Did'nt mean to slag off the OS just the way it was launched.
Mark

Microsoft's problem was launching Vista late.  XP was around for so long, that most programmers got lazy, and some of the programming rules they broke became the normality.  Then these apps were broken under Vista's stricter regime.

As for drivers, thats not MS's fault, hopefully vendors have learnt their lesson now, but then I said the same things shortly after XP was launched!

[TheBoy]

Judging by the marketing success of 'VISTA' with all its "BELLS & WHISTLES' over XP Pro. best not get to excited. I think one pc magazine called VISTA " The worst upgrade ever"
Suppose we'll have to wait and see

Vista actually makes massive sense for XP Pro users - reason for getting XP Pro is you are part of an Active Directory.  Vista has massive enhancements for corporate users, allowing much better centralised control.

For Home use, Vista makes sense due to most home users running XP dangerously with full admin rights - ideal for virus and malware writers.

Any IT mag that comes up with such a statement are obviously a bunch of amateurs, and do not understand, and are miffed that their old games or hookey software doesn't run too well on it - ie, likes of Computer Shopper etc.

TB makes sense here, many people 'think' they know about computers when they actually dont.  I started programming on a BBC when I was 8, degree in Networks and comms, and spent 5 years as a programmer in France before joining the army (long story) and even now I dont profess to know'everything'.  I know a bit but often I find myself implementing other people's techie advice very well.

Back to Vista, Microsoft had to take these people away from an interface that was too technical and which integrates more with peripherals, etc.  Look at the solid following Mac has just because of such an approach to the working of the OS.  Windows 7 looks like it may be the rehash to 98 that 2000 was. ie much of the same with a few extra add-ons but essentially the same!

Geek on, Garth!  

Absolutely.  Nobody knows everything about computers.  Very few people in this world know everything about a small section of computing.  Just most people think they do

[Entwood]

Vista can be pretty good, even very good, on the right system. It needs a lot of resources to work well.

New systems can have these resources installed cheaply, older ones can't, so the "upgrade" to vista has had lots of problems due to inadequate resources - new OS on old kit

There is also customer resistance, many folks think that because their old system worked fine on 512Mb RAM, they are being ripped off when told they should have 1 - 2 Gb RAM ... even though RAM is so cheap now it is stupid ... I have designed several systems for people to say "why do I need so much RAM and such a big graphics card - I don't play games" ..

it is all down to perception.. the facts are ignored...

[TheBoy]

Vista can be pretty good, even very good, on the right system. It needs a lot of resources to work well.

New systems can have these resources installed cheaply, older ones can't, so the "upgrade" to vista has had lots of problems due to inadequate resources - new OS on old kit

There is also customer resistance, many folks think that because their old system worked fine on 512Mb RAM, they are being ripped off when told they should have 1 - 2 Gb RAM ... even though RAM is so cheap now it is stupid ... I have designed several systems for people to say "why do I need so much RAM and such a big graphics card - I don't play games" ..

it is all down to perception.. the facts are ignored...

Yup, valid points. Ideally need Core2 type CPUs and 2G ram, and a newish GPU (even modern built in ones are good enough - running X3100 at moment).

On my older P4 stuff, I tend to stick to XP, as Vista is a step to far for old hardware.