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[Sir Tigger KC]

The thing is, that when you are driving a big HGV you get used to the slow pace.  Overtaking another HGV that's doing 2 or 3 mph slower than you dosn't seem too much of an issue as you slowly glide by and it can be incredibly frustrating when you come up behind another HGV that's going slower.    Especially if you are on a tight schedule, which is something that a lot of people forget, lorry drivers are out there doing a days work and not out for a cruise. 

So when you zip by in the outside lane at 80 - 90 mph cursing the idiot who's inching past another HGV in the outside lane and why the hell can't he just sit behind, well that extra 10 minutes here and there might mean that he gets home to his family that night an hour earlier.   Which when you are working an average 60 hour week is precious time! 

That said like many things, education and training is the key. If it was drummed into HGV drivers that it is a good and courteous thing to back off a bit when another HGV overtakes, it would make life a little easier for everyone! 

[05omegav6]

I think overtaking for LGVs should be banned between the hours of 7am and 7pm

The between A41 Chester and Whitchurch poxes me off. You get stuck behind 2 LGV doing 40mph and the second LGV is right up the chuff of the first so mo gap to nip into should you run out of road when over taking so your stuck for 20 miles. Then you get the sign for a dual carriageway in 1 mile, brilliant. You get to the dual carriageway and the second truck pulls out to overtake the first truck but the driver has burried his foot so they accelerate at the same speed. The overtaking truck either gets past very slowly at the end of the dual carriageway leaving you stranded at the side of the first truck and there's no way he's going to be letting you in or the second truck has to pull back in and everything goes back to how it was for the last 20 miles.
My question is. If the first LGV driver was happy doing 40mph for the last 20 miles why bury the throttle for a mile of dual carriageway

single carrageway 40mph ,dual 50 ,motorway 60

Once you factor in the 56mph limiter, and allow for the 10%+2 rule dual carriageways can technically be driven flat out.

I still maintain that trucks should not be restricted on the condition that the bhp is displayed next to the rear number plate. No need to change the speed limits for them, but that way, the more powerful, and therefore faster trucks would be able to pass more efficiently, and there for more safely, whilst the drivers of slower trucks would know not to attempt an overtake.

Say you're in your car doing 70 along a motorway in lane 2, and you catch up with a car doing 69, you would pull into lane 3 and accelerate slightly to pass it cleanly, dropping back to 70 after. Unrestricted, a truck could do the same thing...

If we were out of the EU any Eurozone trucks would need to be limited, which would help our transport industry no end as it would become unviable for foriegn firms to exploit cabotage rules to the extent that they currently do.

[Sir Tigger KC]

If we were out of the EU any Eurozone trucks would need to be limited, which would help our transport industry no end as it would become unviable for foriegn firms to exploit ignore cabotage rules to the extent that they currently do.

Fixed that for you Al! 

[05omegav6]

  I was being polite...

[chrisgixer]

Simple fact is we all follow the same rules. Causing other traffic to brake or divert course during a manoeuvre is not on.

Arguing the roads are too busy to achieve that doesn't cut it either, as that's all the more reason to keep left.

It's utterly self centred behaviour generally speaking, often forcing traffic from lane 2 into lane 3 as well.

Personally I couldn't face the embarrassment of blocking lane 2 of the m4 for miles on end, causing three lanes to back up, with so obviously nothing in front. It just defys belief for me.

Having said that, most Laurie drivers appear to be much better add judging cars slip road entry speed than the car drivers themselves. Often dropping back to let traffic on.

Those two sides of the same pigeon hole are clues, IMO, that show up the impatient moron with a big bad truck behind him, and a more experienced driver.

Tanker drivers seem to be far more "professional" for obvious reasons, and have an almost invisible presence in the road. (Apart from the over officious tit that insists on delivering at my nearest lpg filling station causing the pumps to go off, just as I arrive with no gas ....not once but twice)

[worzelof10acrefield]

That wouldn't affect the price of goods much

Better solution would be to level the playing field, tell Bruscles to sod off, and remove the limiters, with a minimum motorwazy limit of 50mph and raise the max to 80mph for everyone

Oh and allow undertaking...

That should wake everyone up

here here

[worzelof10acrefield]

I would just like to say we are not all idiots.

I back off slightly if someone is trying to get past me at 1/2 mph etc and i also back off and stay behind if i am only doing 1 mph more than the one in front.
It's called "Being a professional driver".

I rarely pull out to overtake until there is a gap in the traffic i.e. the car etc does not have to brake because i pulled out.

What does annoy me too is car etc drivers not respecting my size. Pulling beside me when i am making a tight turn, pulling out in front at near sucidal distance or pulling in and braking causing me to brake or swerve just because they nearly missed their exit, putting your fog lights on because there is a slight mist in the sky but still clearly able to see over 1 mile, just to name just a few

We are not all idiots. some of us are tar'd with the same brush but are driving professional with others in mind. we just ask for understanding and respect..

Rant over. thanks for reading.

[Andy B]

I would just like to say we are not all idiots.

I back off slightly if someone is trying to get past me at 1/2 mph etc and i also back off and stay behind if i am only doing 1 mph more than the one in front.
It's called "Being a professional driver".

I rarely pull out to overtake until there is a gap in the traffic i.e. the car etc does not have to brake because i pulled out.

What does annoy me too is car etc drivers not respecting my size. Pulling beside me when i am making a tight turn, pulling out in front at near sucidal distance or pulling in and braking causing me to brake or swerve just because they nearly missed their exit, putting your fog lights on because there is a slight mist in the sky but still clearly able to see over 1 mile, just to name just a few

We are not all idiots. some of us are tar'd with the same brush but are driving professional with others in mind. we just ask for understanding and respect..

Rant over. thanks for reading.

You seem to be in the minority.  I will always give HGVs room as & when I can eg pull up short to allow them to swing out over the main road or to cut a corner short due to their size, but it does piss me off when they just use their size to bully their way over a lane on a motorway. And why do they almost always move over to lane 2 when they see the motorway up ahead slow to a crawl or stop?   

[05omegav6]

Increasing baking distance is about the only reasonable explaination...

Yes this highlights other issues such as not only inattentiveness and a general lack of awareness but also just how congested some roads are, with traffic bunched up tight

[MR MISTER]

The road is full of shite drivers who will never be as good as you. Everybody knows that they are the best and everyone else is an idiot. 

[paulg]

A lot of my fellow truckers don't seem to understand the rule of - keep to your left and give way to your right! if they did, it would be a lot easier for everyone!

[D]

On the A1 today. 2 lanes, traffic slows and there are suddenly 20 odd HGV's on the fast lane. So I end up staying on the slow lane, undertake them due to the fact that everyone is now in the fast lane and only when a fair few cars pass them on the left do them sheepishly move over to the left. Why oh why? Whats the point jumping lanes when there is a traffic jam. And these are all British trucks, not foreign ones.

Once past the traffic jam near the M18, then every time I have had to slow down was because a HGV wants to overtake! I think they do it on purpose.

[Andy B]

On the A1 today. 2 lanes, traffic slows and there are suddenly 20 odd HGV's on the fast lane. So I end up staying on the slow lane, undertake them due to the fact that everyone is now in the fast lane and only when a fair few cars pass them on the left do them sheepishly move over to the left. Why oh why? Whats the point jumping lanes when there is a traffic jam. And these are all British trucks, not foreign ones.

Once past the traffic jam near the M18, then every time I have had to slow down was because a HGV wants to overtake! I think they do it on purpose.

which is exactly what I said earlier. 

[paulg]

Thats usually to avoid the slip road traffic, having traffic lights on motorway junctions is never a good idea.

[Andy B]

Thats usually to avoid the slip road traffic, having traffic lights on motorway junctions is never a good idea.

That's usually as soon as they see a hold up up front ....... no where near a slip road