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[dbug]

Compare disc size with almost any other car, and the discs are disproportionately small. I guess budget comes into it, and ten ton plus stops without fade is probably in industry standard.

But add in how easy they warp(ebc in this case) , rust on the inner edge(ebc don't), fade with anything less than 75% pad material, lack bite, feel and servo asdistance I'm sorry, but they're shit and that's that.

Fit for a trip to the shops and back without spilling anything. But that's as complimentary as I can be frankly.

ANY other car has better bite (more servo assistance) than the omega. Not a mark on the power of the brakes capability fair enough but, Add in a bit of pad ware, some rusty discs after a lay up, a hire car while on holiday, and the poxy things can catch you out first time you stop when back in an omega.

These, ladies and gents, over the life or a set of discs and pads are.... SHIT BRAKES.

Lets lay our cards down then.

I'd class myself as reasonably hard on brakes. If you stop before the white line, you've clearly braked too early.

To quote Mr Darth Loo-knee, I "drive like a cock".

The only discs I've warped have been pattern ones. You say your patterns are warping - I'm not surprised, most do if properly used.

I tend to use TC pads on the Bullet, and OE on TBE. I'd say neither were more tolerant to abuse, in fact both seem to be about the same (excluding the fact that TC lack bite/feel when cold). Beyond half worn, TC pads are spent. Don't be tight, bin 'em (thats a msg to all, not to Gixer). Not sure about OE, as Mrs TB tends to use that car.

The pedal has more travel than most modern cars. Thats personal preference if you prefer/hate that. As all know, I've had the misfortune to own a Focus, fart in those cars, and you go through the windscreen. So I prefer more pedal control, even if it is often used as a switch


As said in previous post, Mr Gixer, you are a special case. We cannot make recommendations/sweeping statements on what we need is the norm for all OOFers . And the MV8 will need uprated everything, obviously.

So, yes there are clearly potential improvements to be made, but the cost/benefit/insurance hassles factored in for many OOFers isn't viable. For most, the brakes aren't "shit"

Couldn't agree more - silly to make sweeping statements based on a "one off" case - just puts most of the other members off due to "bad" information.  Not sure I would necessarily describe Mr Gixer as a "special case" though in the light of his rather silly and pedantic posts on this topic.
We need to recognise the Omega was built quite a few years ago now, as a comfortable cruiser, not an out and out racer, and the brakes, in good condition, were at that time adequate and "fit for purpose" for the drivers these cars were aimed at.  I drive fast and am considered "hard" on brakes, but do not drive stupidly on the roads.  If you want to drive like that try it on a race track (on a track day preferably as you wont last long racing) - if you want to put an Omega on a race track I agree brakes amongst a lot of other items would definately need upgrading. 
Or buy a more modern design car with more modern brakes

[TheBoy]

Guessing the brakes, chassis, suspension are all family hand me downs from Senator / Carlton.

Pretty much, though think the discs increase from 286 to 296.

[tunnie]

Chris, just stop moaning, get the wallet out and buy a VXR8 

[Andy B]

Guessing the brakes, chassis, suspension are all family hand me downs from Senator / Carlton.

Pretty much, though think the discs increase from 286 to 296.

 .... both front with bone bushes were vertical too 

[chrisgixer]

So 10 roundabouts, accelerating to 70 each time then back to what, 20mph? In what Milton Keynes? Really? 10 round abouts??

I can guarantee you will have to come to a complete standstill at every single one due to the oppsing retards who live there waiting for oppsing rush hour to finish before pulling out.

70mph? Oh, yes, 70mph, of course, not any faster, obviously 

I drive normally

Based on my experiences sat in your passenger seat, you drive far more slowly cautiously than anyone I know. Outside of Milton Keynes, anyway.

That's why yours is always broke, it's not up to it nor built for it. Get a modern, high powered car, then you can drive like you stole it.

^^^^^ Do NOT take financial advise from this man. ^^^^^

[chrisgixer]

Chris, just stop moaning, get the wallet out and buy a VXR8 

When they get to about 10k. Mind you if Holden go bust they might go up in price.

[chrisgixer]

Chris, just stop moaning, get the wallet out and buy a VXR8 

When they get to about 10k. Mind you if Holden go bust they might go up in price.

Btw, the brakes are shit on those as well

[tunnie]

Chris, just stop moaning, get the wallet out and buy a VXR8 

When they get to about 10k. Mind you if Holden go bust they might go up in price.

Btw, the brakes are shit on those as well

Ohh ffs. Where is that head banging brick wall smiley when you need it! 

[chrisgixer]

Guessing the brakes, chassis, suspension are all family hand me downs from Senator / Carlton.

Pretty much, though think the discs increase from 286 to 296.

 .... both front with bone bushes were vertical too 

Really? Didn't know that.

Btw. You hid the "lithp" well last time we met.

[chrisgixer]

Chris, just stop moaning, get the wallet out and buy a VXR8 

When they get to about 10k. Mind you if Holden go bust they might go up in price.

Btw, the brakes are shit on those as well

Ohh ffs. Where is that head banging brick wall smiley when you need it! 

Absolutely the first thing to change on the Hsv forums.

[Andy B]

Guessing the brakes, chassis, suspension are all family hand me downs from Senator / Carlton.

Pretty much, though think the discs increase from 286 to 296.

 .... both front with bone bushes were vertical too 

Really? Didn't know that.

Btw. You hid the "lithp" well last time we met.

It took me a minute ....... 

[chrisgixer]

Guessing the brakes, chassis, suspension are all family hand me downs from Senator / Carlton.

Pretty much, though think the discs increase from 286 to 296.

 .... both front with bone bushes were vertical too 

Really? Didn't know that.

Btw. You hid the "lithp" well last time we met.

It took me a minute ....... 

I bit me tongue twith jutht reading it

[chrisgixer]

Compare disc size with almost any other car, and the discs are disproportionately small. I guess budget comes into it, and ten ton plus stops without fade is probably in industry standard.

But add in how easy they warp(ebc in this case) , rust on the inner edge(ebc don't), fade with anything less than 75% pad material, lack bite, feel and servo asdistance I'm sorry, but they're shit and that's that.

Fit for a trip to the shops and back without spilling anything. But that's as complimentary as I can be frankly.

ANY other car has better bite (more servo assistance) than the omega. Not a mark on the power of the brakes capability fair enough but, Add in a bit of pad ware, some rusty discs after a lay up, a hire car while on holiday, and the poxy things can catch you out first time you stop when back in an omega.

These, ladies and gents, over the life or a set of discs and pads are.... SHIT BRAKES.

Lets lay our cards down then.

I'd class myself as reasonably hard on brakes. If you stop before the white line, you've clearly braked too early.

To quote Mr Darth Loo-knee, I "drive like a cock".

The only discs I've warped have been pattern ones. You say your patterns are warping - I'm not surprised, most do if properly used.

I tend to use TC pads on the Bullet, and OE on TBE. I'd say neither were more tolerant to abuse, in fact both seem to be about the same (excluding the fact that TC lack bite/feel when cold). Beyond half worn, TC pads are spent. Don't be tight, bin 'em (thats a msg to all, not to Gixer). Not sure about OE, as Mrs TB tends to use that car.

The pedal has more travel than most modern cars. Thats personal preference if you prefer/hate that. As all know, I've had the misfortune to own a Focus, fart in those cars, and you go through the windscreen. So I prefer more pedal control, even if it is often used as a switch


As said in previous post, Mr Gixer, you are a special case. We cannot make recommendations/sweeping statements on what we need is the norm for all OOFers . And the MV8 will need uprated everything, obviously.

So, yes there are clearly potential improvements to be made, but the cost/benefit/insurance hassles factored in for many OOFers isn't viable. For most, the brakes aren't "shit"

Couldn't agree more - silly to make sweeping statements based on a "one off" case - just puts most of the other members off due to "bad" information.  Not sure I would necessarily describe Mr Gixer as a "special case" though in the light of his rather silly and pedantic posts on this topic.
We need to recognise the Omega was built quite a few years ago now, as a comfortable cruiser, not an out and out racer, and the brakes, in good condition, were at that time adequate and "fit for purpose" for the drivers these cars were aimed at.  I drive fast and am considered "hard" on brakes, but do not drive stupidly on the roads.  If you want to drive like that try it on a race track (on a track day preferably as you wont last long racing) - if you want to put an Omega on a race track I agree brakes amongst a lot of other items would definately need upgrading. 
Or buy a more modern design car with more modern brakes

Or, upgrade the brakes on the omega. Sigh...

[Webby the Bear]

To get brake fade after 10 roundabouts is definitely heavy braking 

However I'm not going to comment on that. What I am going to comment on is something Tunnie and Chris mentioned.... that's driving enjoyment.

When I had my Ferrari track day that was bloody awesome. The thrill of flooring a mid-engine super car, feeling the acceleration and listening to the noise right in your ears... magic!

However, I love driving as much as you dudettes... but I (like Tunnie I suspect) enjoy a comfy drive*, taking in scenery being wafted about by a smooth riding, smooth sounding car. That's my enjoyment. The point is it doesn't matter what reason you enjoy driving for

There's also the safety thing. No offence meant but no one on here (I think) is a racing driver... which in essence means that the only real ability we have is to mash the pedal to the floor. I fear (and I don't say this to upset anyone as you lot can be a prickly bunch sometimes  ) that if your brakes are fading after 10 roundabouts there'll be a time (and I really hope it doesn't happen) that your talent will run out.

*note that even though I am a sissy driver I loved being driven around by the professional on the track day. And what was he driving.... a VXR8  Some proper awesome back-end-out stuff and to my credit I asked him to go faster 

[chrisgixer]

To get brake fade after 10 roundabouts is definitely heavy braking 

However I'm not going to comment on that. What I am going to comment on is something Tunnie and Chris mentioned.... that's driving enjoyment.

When I had my Ferrari track day that was bloody awesome. The thrill of flooring a mid-engine super car, feeling the acceleration and listening to the noise right in your ears... magic!

However, I love driving as much as you dudettes... but I (like Tunnie I suspect) enjoy a comfy drive*, taking in scenery being wafted about by a smooth riding, smooth sounding car. That's my enjoyment. The point is it doesn't matter what reason you enjoy driving for

There's also the safety thing. No offence meant but no one on here (I think) is a racing driver... which in essence means that the only real ability we have is to mash the pedal to the floor. I fear (and I don't say this to upset anyone as you lot can be a prickly bunch sometimes  ) that if your brakes are fading after 10 roundabouts there'll be a time (and I really hope it doesn't happen) that your talent will run out.

*note that even though I am a sissy driver I loved being driven around by the professional on the track day. And what was he driving.... a VXR8  Some proper awesome back-end-out stuff and to my credit I asked him to go faster 

Talent runs out at any speed. Speed is not the ultimate factor. Attention and judgement is far more important, and lack of it causes a lot more agro. Although its the easiest factor to eradicate. Hence the misconception.