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Lizzie_Zoom

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Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
« Reply #45 on: 01 January 2014, 15:35:11 »

If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?

Yes

+1 Yes!

All acts of terrorism, at least in my humble opinion, are carried out to publicize their "cause".  Always has been, always will.

Or, thinking further, would they just go for bigger more daring targets until it can't be ignored, to the point it would be irresponsible not to report it? Probably.

But ultimately Terrorism is pointless without media coverage. Look at the Daily Fail. Seizing on every ounce of misery in the world, all it does is amplify misery.

Nothing really could have been bigger than 9/11 and,yes, that could not be ignored! So the terrorists/Bin Laden got the publicity they sought, quiet apart from starting their war with the West over their grievances.
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05omegav6

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« Reply #46 on: 01 January 2014, 15:44:45 »

If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?

Yes

+1 Yes!

All acts of terrorism, at least in my humble opinion, are carried out to publicize their "cause".  Always has been, always will.

Or, thinking further, would they just go for bigger more daring targets until it can't be ignored, to the point it would be irresponsible not to report it? Probably.

But ultimately Terrorism is pointless without media coverage. Look at the Daily Fail. Seizing on every ounce of misery in the world, all it does is amplify misery.   
That itself is the issue... look at the fuss following 9/11. That single event has given rise to the 'Patriot Act', (an oxymoron if ever there was), two wars, and untold misery and suffering for millions of people.

Should any of the casualties from that one event or its aftermath be forgotten? Of course not. But if each event was ignored, what of the innocent victims and their families?

Tbh I am struggling to understand the response of people to attacks like 9/11 in a world where an assualt rifle costs less than a slap up meal and bullets cost 12p :-\ if life is so valuable, how can it be ended so cheaply?

The 'terrorists' have won, inevitable really given that they'll stop at nothing to make a point.

The sooner the rest of the world admit that, the sooner we can all move on. If they know they have won, they have no further need to blow everything up, and by default we would have no further need to go tramping round the arse end of nowhere on futile revenge quests, just so that the media can report that we're doing something to defend our way of life.

Conceed the fight and then simply ignore the protagonists. Respectfully remember the victims, of course, but at a family level not an international one. Then move on.

Pretty straightforward really.
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chrisgixer

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« Reply #47 on: 01 January 2014, 15:57:47 »

Mandela thinking?
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« Reply #48 on: 01 January 2014, 16:00:34 »

I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???
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« Reply #49 on: 01 January 2014, 16:02:03 »

I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the similarity is media coverage. No?
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Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
« Reply #50 on: 01 January 2014, 16:08:51 »

I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the similarity is media coverage. No?

Is it?  :-\ ............ I lost enthusiasm part way through the BBC bashing bit. But the news showed press form all over the world camped outside the hospital ...... not just BBC reporters
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05omegav6

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« Reply #51 on: 01 January 2014, 16:10:46 »

Mandela thinking?
As opposed to Sinn Feins' approach?

Mandelas resilient patience led to his Presidency. Which in turn made a real difference to South Africa. Giving the IRA political legitimacy has acheived nothing.

You can't beat terrorists, as they will, by definition, stop at nothing. Ignoring them won't make them go away, but as they become more frustrated, the attacks would become more abhorent, making their case exponentially futile. Eventually this futility would sink in. And things would ultimately change.
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chrisgixer

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« Reply #52 on: 01 January 2014, 16:16:54 »

I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the similarity is media coverage. No?

Is it?  :-\ ............ I lost enthusiasm part way through the BBC bashing bit. But the news showed press form all over the world camped outside the hospital ...... not just BBC reporters

Not BBC, media. All of them/it.
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chrisgixer

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« Reply #53 on: 01 January 2014, 16:17:54 »

Mandela thinking?
As opposed to Sinn Feins' approach?

Mandelas resilient patience led to his Presidency. Which in turn made a real difference to South Africa. Giving the IRA political legitimacy has acheived nothing.

You can't beat terrorists, as they will, by definition, stop at nothing. Ignoring them won't make them go away, but as they become more frustrated, the attacks would become more abhorent, making their case exponentially futile. Eventually this futility would sink in. And things would ultimately change.

I was thinking in his later years, to move on, or the only way to move on, is to forgive.
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05omegav6

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« Reply #54 on: 01 January 2014, 16:21:43 »

I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the disparity is media coverage. No?
Schumacher will either recover or he won't. The media ignorance of events elsewhere is for one of two reasons, deliberate or misguided. The bus bombings in Russia could be attributed to anyone from Chechnya to Afghanistan, and whilst tragic, they should be largely ignored. What is currently happening in Africa as a whole is wrong, and should have attention drawn to it imho.

Genocide is inexcusable, whether for religious or political reasons. The 'eye for an eye ' mentality is as short sighted as it is blinding.
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05omegav6

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« Reply #55 on: 01 January 2014, 16:26:22 »

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I was thinking in his later years, to move on, or the only way to move on, is to forgive.

Doubtless a direct result of incarceration, allowing an intelligent man chance to reflect and consider realistic alternative solutions to his original course :y
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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #56 on: 01 January 2014, 16:31:45 »

I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the similarity is media coverage. No?

Because Shumacher is German?! :y :y :y :y :)
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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #57 on: 01 January 2014, 16:35:05 »

I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the disparity is media coverage. No?
Schumacher will either recover or he won't. The media ignorance of events elsewhere is for one of two reasons, deliberate or misguided. The bus bombings in Russia could be attributed to anyone from Chechnya to Afghanistan, and whilst tragic, they should be largely ignored. What is currently happening in Africa as a whole is wrong, and should have attention drawn to it imho.

Genocide is inexcusable, whether for religious or political reasons. The 'eye for an eye ' mentality is as short sighted as it is blinding.

Agreed, but still done on a national basis!  Remind me why we are in Afghanistan. ::) ::) ::) 
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chrisgixer

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« Reply #58 on: 01 January 2014, 16:36:37 »

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I was thinking in his later years, to move on, or the only way to move on, is to forgive.

Doubtless a direct result of incarceration, allowing an intelligent man chance to reflect and consider realistic alternative solutions to his original course :y
Call it what you will, under what ever heading, with whatever history. I shouldn't have mentioned Mandela, but ultimately he was right. No?

Forget the Mandela bit, it's the Forgiveness that's missing, was my point. That appeared to be the gist of your post...?
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05omegav6

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Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
« Reply #59 on: 01 January 2014, 16:37:19 »

Reply #46 Lizzie :y
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