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[YZ250]

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And technically, its also a secondary braking system, so needs to be able to shave off speed in an emergency

On my previous Omega I needed to change direction quickly so did a handbrake turn (it's the child in me,you never forget how to do them) 
The car was an auto and believe me, stopping auto transmission dead in its tracks did not sound pretty.  I did not select neutral as I was used to just dipping the clutch on a manual and then powering away again. 
Therefore I declare, ok for secondary braking on a manual but on an auto..........err no. 

[05omegav6]

its not that difficult.

fifteen minutes per side or so.....

there are very many more difficult ones to do than that.

But, my record is having to remove the body from the chassis to change the EGR valves on a Discovery 3

Guessing about 20 nuts/bolts and a decent hoist

[Marks DTM Calib]

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And technically, its also a secondary braking system, so needs to be able to shave off speed in an emergency

Is it?  Sure it's more of a parking brake.  You'd be better off sticking your foot out of the door in my Merc than try to use the foot operated parking brake 

Yeah, apparently.  Some newer cars have get-out/loophole clauses to get around this.

They dont on the Astra J, press the handbrake button for a few seconds and it bongs at you followed by all hell breaking loose!

I dont mind doing the rear shoes at all, how long did it take us on TBE at Sereks?

[aaronjb]

its not that difficult.

fifteen minutes per side or so.....

there are very many more difficult ones to do than that.

But, my record is having to remove the body from the chassis to change the EGR valves on a Discovery 3

Didn't take too long then 

A good shove and it falls off it's rusty mounts, no?

[Shackeng]

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And technically, its also a secondary braking system, so needs to be able to shave off speed in an emergency

Is it?  Sure it's more of a parking brake.  You'd be better off sticking your foot out of the door in my Merc than try to use the foot operated parking brake 

Yeah, apparently.  Some newer cars have get-out/loophole clauses to get around this.

They dont on the Astra J, press the handbrake button for a few seconds and it bongs at you followed by all hell breaking loose!

I dont mind doing the rear shoes at all, how long did it take us on TBE at Sereks?

Exactly, a very easy job with two pairs of hands, but I found getting those shoe retaining springs in very tricky.

[Marks DTM Calib]

There is a nack to the reatining springs, once you get it it takes but seconds to fit them. 

Its a job that I pretty much always do on my own, I did TBE pretty much on my own although it was on a ramp which makes the cable adjustment much easier.

[aaronjb]

Exactly, a very easy job with two pairs of hands, but I found getting those shoe retaining springs in very tricky.

Lost count of the number of times I dropped the little retaining cup between the boards into the pit last weekend.. grr!

[Nick W]

Replacing and adjusting the shoes is just like any other car.
Adjusting the cables is a pain, particularly if you are doing it singlehandedly. That needs several goes at crawling under the car, adjusting the cable with several wobbly extensions, and checking the result. If the adjuster had been at either end of the cable, or directly on the lever like on a Mini,  this would be an easy job.

[tunnie]

There is a nack to the reatining springs, once you get it it takes but seconds to fit them. 

Its a job that I pretty much always do on my own, I did TBE pretty much on my own although it was on a ramp which makes the cable adjustment much easier.

I found that, personally I could not do it your way in the guide using the ring spanner.

I found just lining the pin up, so it would fit through the slot, then using long nose pliers to push back and then grab the pin and rotate.

[Shackeng]

There is a nack to the reatining springs, once you get it it takes but seconds to fit them. 

Its a job that I pretty much always do on my own, I did TBE pretty much on my own although it was on a ramp which makes the cable adjustment much easier.

I found that, personally I could not do it your way in the guide using the ring spanner.

I found just lining the pin up, so it would fit through the slot, then using long nose pliers to push back and then grab the pin and rotate.

That was how I did it, but even with ground down pliers I found it tricky.

[tunnie]

There is a nack to the reatining springs, once you get it it takes but seconds to fit them. 

Its a job that I pretty much always do on my own, I did TBE pretty much on my own although it was on a ramp which makes the cable adjustment much easier.

I found that, personally I could not do it your way in the guide using the ring spanner.

I found just lining the pin up, so it would fit through the slot, then using long nose pliers to push back and then grab the pin and rotate.

That was how I did it, but even with ground down pliers I found it tricky.

Yeah not easy, shoes always slipping/moving. As Mark says there is a nack, once I'd done one side the other was far easier.

Removal was easy for me, as the previous shoe was in many bits

[TheBoy]

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And technically, its also a secondary braking system, so needs to be able to shave off speed in an emergency

Is it?  Sure it's more of a parking brake.  You'd be better off sticking your foot out of the door in my Merc than try to use the foot operated parking brake 

Yeah, apparently.  Some newer cars have get-out/loophole clauses to get around this.

They dont on the Astra J, press the handbrake button for a few seconds and it bongs at you followed by all hell breaking loose!

I dont mind doing the rear shoes at all, how long did it take us on TBE at Sereks?

The MV6 is always more of a pain. Always needs the complete stripdown, mech as well, and all needs a thorough clean.

[omega3000]

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And technically, its also a secondary braking system, so needs to be able to shave off speed in an emergency

Is it?  Sure it's more of a parking brake.  You'd be better off sticking your foot out of the door in my Merc than try to use the foot operated parking brake 

Yeah, apparently.  Some newer cars have get-out/loophole clauses to get around this.

They dont on the Astra J, press the handbrake button for a few seconds and it bongs at you followed by all hell breaking loose!

I dont mind doing the rear shoes at all, how long did it take us on TBE at Sereks?

Exactly, a very easy job with two pairs of hands, but I found getting those shoe retaining springs in very tricky.

You ain't kidding , i couldn't get the old pins out  Bought a replacement set and still in the shed after 2 yrs 

[dbug]

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And technically, its also a secondary braking system, so needs to be able to shave off speed in an emergency

Is it?  Sure it's more of a parking brake.  You'd be better off sticking your foot out of the door in my Merc than try to use the foot operated parking brake 

Yeah, apparently.  Some newer cars have get-out/loophole clauses to get around this.

They dont on the Astra J, press the handbrake button for a few seconds and it bongs at you followed by all hell breaking loose!

I dont mind doing the rear shoes at all, how long did it take us on TBE at Sereks?

Exactly, a very easy job with two pairs of hands, but I found getting those shoe retaining springs in very tricky.

No more difficult than any drum braked car or rear drums/front disc systems that were the norm not so many years ago.  Use a pair of pliers - there is a knack - 10 secs per clip

[Andy B]

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No more difficult than any drum braked car or rear drums/front disc systems that were the norm not so many years ago.  Use a pair of pliers - there is a knack - 10 secs per clip

But the Omega adds the extra challenge of doing the job through a 3/4" hole