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supercharged miggy
« on: 06 April 2014, 20:33:16 »

looking to supercharge my 3.0 but don't know where to start ie what charge to use
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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #1 on: 06 April 2014, 20:34:29 »

don't think you would be able to use much boost without changing pistons and conrods

wouldn't mind though
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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #2 on: 06 April 2014, 21:27:57 »

I think you'll be on a hiding to nothing (or a short engine life) by just bolting on a supercharger.

I've seen 2 Courtney converted 3.0l turbos, both had what I thought was a bottom end knock.  Not that I have any faith in Courtney's engineering abilities, looking at the junk they sell to the unsuspecting public.

On the 3.0l, I wonder if you may need to reduce the CR if using forced induction. Maybe 3.2 would be a better starting point  :-\

And then cooling....
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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #3 on: 06 April 2014, 22:00:34 »

maybe not worth the bother but what about going down route of a v8 conversion
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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #4 on: 06 April 2014, 22:03:21 »

maybe not worth the bother but what about going down route of a v8 conversion
I believe chrisgixer is partway through such a conversion, you may want a word with him.  From posts on here, it hasn't been as straightforward as planned, but not insurmountable from what I understand :)
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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #5 on: 07 April 2014, 10:31:00 »

you can supercharge your omega..  it all depends on your budget and time.. 


a good brand new supercharger is way above 1000£ ..


also you can use turbo.. and will require custom manifolds


and intercooler with extra piping.. also you have to remove battery , original ecu from its place..


you have to use different oil.. (minimum 20/50)


you will need new injector set..  and a good custom standalone ECU (like haltech, AEM infinity ) with a new set of many sensors (only ECU costs around 1500 $ without harness and without sensors- these are required for appropriate tuning of fuel map)

(cheap megasquirt have still reliability issues although easily tuneable )

you have to redesign cooling ..  lower temp thermostat, different pump and additional pumps.. also someone from europe (he is running above 400 hp ) cut additional cooling slots  on the block for extra water circulation..  stock engine parts can hold 0.5 bar without problems..  above that you have to use complete steel gasket, forged pistons, thicker rods etc etc.. 

also above 0.5 bar you will likely need a stronger box and stronger clutch set .. (assuming you are driving a manual)



and also add labor cost if you wont do it yourself..


I decided to do that and talked with custom garages , total cost is around 9000$ here.. if everything goes perfect ;D




ps: also you must use external oil cooler.. different fuel pump and regulator..


pps: with all of that in mind still you are driving a 1600-1700 kg car with 2 wheel drive..   so you will have hard times for traction


ppps: and an important question is that could you get your money back when you sell the car..  I dont think so :-\
« Last Edit: 07 April 2014, 10:41:51 by cem »
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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #6 on: 07 April 2014, 23:05:24 »

Seen a few on youtube over the years and seem to remember a young lad at the Hazlemere (?) meet a few years ago had one fitted to a 3.0l.
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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #7 on: 08 April 2014, 07:41:53 »

here is a cut and weld - tightfit calibra with twin turbo application  ???

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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #8 on: 08 April 2014, 07:43:00 »

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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #9 on: 08 April 2014, 07:49:00 »

and some piece of info
"Tuning the X30XE

The most common mods for this engine are Replacing the oil / water heat exchanger with at air / oil cooler, as the oil / water one Has a tendancy to die and leak oil into the water system, lightening the flywheel, as the std one is very heavy (in the region of 15 kg), a mild set of cams, and enlarging the inlet butterfly. These are all mods Which can be done without cracking open the engine.

Tuning the engine Further than some bolt on mods is quite an undertaking as the engine Has quite a few weak spots.

The rods are quite weak due to Their (lack of) width, the water pump is too small for forced induction, the bearings need Replacing with stronger items, and the rear cylinders overheat.

The rods can be resolved by Replacing with saab 3.0L rods have an oil squirter Which drilled into them (to lube the small end, the std rods rely on splash lubrication), welding Strengthening strips ontological them , or by getting some steel rods made. Steel rods are expensive (Arrow Precision quote £ 200/rod for a batch of 6).  Still, They Should Be good to around 9000rpm.  Swindon Race Engines want to make a custom steel crank and rods for £ 3,700 + VAT. They can therefore stroke it out to 3.4L

The cooling can be resolved by cutting slots in between the water jacket in the center as did water can flow out of block cooling jacket and into the radiator outlet / engine water inlet.


It Is not all bad news thought. The pistons have nice deep pockets, the heads can be opened up nicely, and valve train tuning parts from the X16XE (1.6 16v ecotec) can be fitted. The engine Has lots of potential, it'll just take a lot of work to achieve achievement it.

The engine will really benefit from headwork (some details of my work here). bigger valves (+1 mm) can be fitted (standard is 32mm inlet and 28mm exhaust) if the seats are cut carefully. This would put it nearly on a par with the C20XE head design, the main difference being the steeper angle of the exhaust valves


The engine HAS BEEN tuned up to around 420bhp in normally aspirated a state of tune by Swindon Race Engines though this will set you back £ 18k + vat. SRE therefore have developed a very compact roller barrel induction kit for it, Which Enables a standardish engine to produce 320BHP @ 7000rpm, the only other mods being solid lifters and a set of mild cams. The solids are put in to aid accurate cam timing, and to stop belt kick-back if the engine's been standing for any length of time and the hydraulic lifters have drained. HOWEVER, this induction kit Is not cheap, and at 4000GBP + vat (just the throttles, trumpets and injectors), it's a remortgage the house and the cat pimp job.

The engine's been so supercharged to good effect by a dutch nutter called Frank thinkers, who Achieved 400bhp +100 bhp of nitrous. It was his tuner Which solved the cooling problems did forced induction conversions have"


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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #10 on: 09 April 2014, 18:21:01 »

here is a cut and weld - tightfit calibra with twin turbo application  ???

All that effort, and such same filters, and no attempt to shield them... :(
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Re: supercharged miggy
« Reply #11 on: 09 April 2014, 18:22:10 »

The most common mods for this engine are Replacing the oil / water heat exchanger with at air / oil cooler, as the oil / water one Has a tendancy to die and leak oil into the water system
And you'd be retarded to do it, instead repair what exists. They don't leak if you look after them.
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