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Aircraft carrier
« on: 04 July 2014, 20:16:40 »

So the Queen named the first of the 3 new super aircraft carriers today 65,000 tons of wasted space as there are no planes for it as the government decided to get rid of the Harrier and the new planes won't be ready till 2020 FFS.  >:( ::) :o >:(
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #1 on: 04 July 2014, 20:21:22 »

Aircraft carriers tend to be a very vulnerable target,so will she be protected by a strong fleet as the Americans do with theirs? Also a big well done to all those shipyard workers who built her.Despite the best efforts of the powers that be[past and present]Britain still has some of the best ship builders in the world.
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #2 on: 04 July 2014, 20:42:32 »

Aircraft carriers tend to be a very vulnerable target,so will she be protected by a strong fleet as the Americans do with theirs? Also a big well done to all those shipyard workers who built her.Despite the best efforts of the powers that be[past and present]Britain still has some of the best ship builders in the world.




 I second that and I would suspect it will be very well protected by the new type 45 destroyers.  :y
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #3 on: 04 July 2014, 21:36:49 »

So the Queen named the first of the 3 new super aircraft carriers today 65,000 tons of wasted space as there are no planes for it as the government decided to get rid of the Harrier and the new planes won't be ready till 2020 FFS.  >:( ::) :o >:(

Thought it was 2?  ???  Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales.  :y
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #4 on: 04 July 2014, 21:45:51 »

Typhoon not carrier able then?
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« Reply #5 on: 04 July 2014, 22:30:29 »

Typhoon not carrier able then?
Nope ::)

But this is...

https://www.f35.com/ 8)
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #6 on: 04 July 2014, 22:41:48 »

Big bugger that, wont fit in my bathtub  ;D ;D
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #7 on: 04 July 2014, 23:12:49 »

Typhoon not carrier able then?





Apparently not in its current state but the f35 lightening2 will but not till 2020
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #8 on: 05 July 2014, 00:09:21 »

Typhoon not carrier able then?





Apparently not in its current state but the f35 lightening2 will but not till 2020
According to the F35 sales site, it's doing the demonstration rounds this year :y
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #9 on: 05 July 2014, 01:20:45 »

Typhoon not carrier able then?





Apparently not in its current state but the f35 lightening2 will but not till 2020
According to the F35 sales site, it's doing the demonstration rounds this year :y






 Maybe but time we get them and the MOD strips them down tests and rebuilds them, it will be another 6 years  >:(
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #10 on: 05 July 2014, 09:13:03 »

Typhoon not carrier able then?
Apparently not in its current state but the f35 lightening2 will but not till 2020
According to the F35 sales site, it's doing the demonstration rounds this year :y
There have been technical delays, so where it was hoped to be ready around the same time as the sea trials were completing, its expected to be a few years before they are ready now :(
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #11 on: 05 July 2014, 12:23:07 »

Typhoon not carrier able then?





Apparently not in its current state but the f35 lightening2 will but not till 2020
According to the F35 sales site, it's doing the demonstration rounds this year :y

All currently grounded due to as very minor problem. One caught fire on the ground. :o :o :o :o There is talk of it not being at Farnborough as planned. ???

The aircraft IMO is a mongrel trying to do too many things for too many differing customer requirements, so it may well end up doing everything badly. Apparently it is not as stealthy as planned even if the special paints stay on (there are peeling problems) and radar improvements (including Russian and Chinese) are making all stealth aircraft less stealthy. I hope the long range AA missiles work well as the flight envelope compromises made to make it more stealthy mean things like turn rate are more like a Phantom than an F16 / F18 and you wouldn't want to get into a mix-it dog fight with a MIG 29 or SU-35 with one. :o :o :o :o
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #12 on: 05 July 2014, 12:53:53 »

Aircraft carriers tend to be a very vulnerable target,so will she be protected by a strong fleet as the Americans do with theirs? Also a big well done to all those shipyard workers who built her.Despite the best efforts of the powers that be[past and present]Britain still has some of the best ship builders in the world.




 I second that and I would suspect it will be very well protected by the new type 45 destroyers.  :y

What all 6 of them, from the 12 originally planned. Currently the navy has 19 destroyers and Frigates, 10 submarines or which 4 are our nuclear deterrent, which leaves 6 for protecting all our vital trading sea lanes for all the 50% of food and all the energy and goods we require. All in all 78 commissions ships. Of the 78 ships you will typically have 1 in 3 operational any any one time, with the second having a minor refit and the third a major refit as a class ages. So realistically to protect the carrier, one type 45, a type 23 and a hunter-killer submarine would be the absolute minimum for a task force and really you would want two type 45's and two type 23's. The latest attack philosophy by the Chinese is to launch hundreds of armed drones to overwhelm a carrier task force where they claim this has a 9 to 1 cost effectiveness advantage over using conventional attack means. On that basis they won't last long in any major conflict.

The latest round of defence cuts means our armed forces are now a total joke, especially in the light of a recent court ruling where armed forces personal can sue the government if a proper health and safety plan and full equipment has not been supplied to stop it being dangerous for them, not to mention the 20,000 full time soldiers to be replaced by part time amateurs that they can't recruit. I won't mention that the MOD has now issued a multi-billion procurement specification to replace the Nimrods that were about to enter operational service that CaMoron personally ordered scrapped and vindictively cut up. The money was much better spent of keep rich dictators in Africa at the standard of living they are used to, Indian space programs and subsidising affluent middle-class French holiday makers to keep them warm / cool in Morocco and Tunisia when on holiday with green energy efficiency schemes through Centre Parcs all paid for by boosting the foreign aid budget at the expense of defence spending. The plan if CaMaron gets back in in 2015 is for a further boost to foreign aid and more very significant defence cuts including selling / scrapping one or both of the new carriers. So they may enter service in 2020, but the chances that, that will be with the RN is slim. :( :( :( :(
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #13 on: 05 July 2014, 13:58:44 »

Of course you could always move to Ukraine, where things are soo much better... :-X
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Re: Aircraft carrier
« Reply #14 on: 05 July 2014, 15:41:44 »

Aircraft carriers tend to be a very vulnerable target,so will she be protected by a strong fleet as the Americans do with theirs? Also a big well done to all those shipyard workers who built her.Despite the best efforts of the powers that be[past and present]Britain still has some of the best ship builders in the world.




 I second that and I would suspect it will be very well protected by the new type 45 destroyers.  :y

What all 6 of them, from the 12 originally planned. Currently the navy has 19 destroyers and Frigates, 10 submarines or which 4 are our nuclear deterrent, which leaves 6 for protecting all our vital trading sea lanes for all the 50% of food and all the energy and goods we require. All in all 78 commissions ships.

The latest round of defence cuts means our armed forces are now a total joke,

I won't mention that the MOD has now issued a multi-billion procurement specification to replace the Nimrods that were about to enter operational service that CaMoron personally ordered scrapped and vindictively cut up.

78 commissioned ships is adequate for the defence of our shores.  It may not be the navy of 100 years ago, with 28 dreadnoughts in just the Grand Fleet, but the power of each one of our ships is so much more than all of those old ships put together times the power of X.

As I have stated before in other threads, the Defence Budget, which basically covered the Royal Navy, with a tiny standing army, represented at one stage over 30% of the National Budget. If we want to go back to that to enlarge the Royal Navy to protect a non-existent Empire, then let's scrape the NHS and all Welfare.  Let's go back to children starving in the street with no permanent homes, or greatly over crowded ones, with thousands dying prematurely from illness.

No, so what do we want? What should the politicians do?  Oh, and by the way Foreign Aid spending is just £10 billion, 1.4%, of the National Budget of £730 billion. So, cutting that may help to find more money for defence spending, but it is a drop in the ocean. The worth 0f £10 billion of "diplomacy" spending actually can bring large national advantages; keeping us at the power table; keeping the chance of trade agreements coming to the UK, and creating good will for the UK.  Maybe a small percentage of that money is wasted, but the majority finds it's British goal.

As for Nimrod, it was a project completely out of control that still needed billions to keep going which was based on an aircraft of 1950's technology. Good money was being thrown after bad on a project that had already cost £4 billion for just 9 planes, and was still not operational.  It was a Tory government who started the Nimrod project, to replace the ancient Shackleton's, so it was fitting that Cameron's government cancelled it all right at the start of their term in office to face the enormous challengers facing Great Britain Ltd. Why use the word "vindictively" when describing the Nimrod's scrapping I don't know.  It was a decision, like so many, that needed to be taken so the UK lived within it's means.

Living within our means WILL result in more cuts, and must be no matter how painful if our country is going to face the future with confidence. And, to remind those that still have not understood the current situation as opposed to some romantic notion of the past, especially as we remember both WW1 and WWII, we have no longer an Empire to patrol. Even the great USA is cutting back on it's ideas of "military responsibility", as like us but with far larger amounts of cash involved, they no longer have the resources as at their peak during the American Century.
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