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Music licence for radio in the office?
« on: 18 June 2008, 11:14:09 »

Do any members on here know about music licences for offices? We've recently had 3 letters from PRS (The Performing Rights Society)
advising us that we could be breaking the law by playing music in the office without a licence. We do have a radio in the office but I'm not sure how we stand.

Firstly it's not a large office with only about 12 people in at any one time and the radio is played so quietly that probably can only be heard by 4 or 5 people. Secondly, I was under the impression that the radio stations themselves payed copyright on all the material they play so before I investigate further I wondered if anyone on here had any knowledge or experience of this. :-/
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Re: Music licence for radio in the office?
« Reply #1 on: 18 June 2008, 11:19:37 »

You do need a license for such radio use sadly......and PRS seem to be chasing such things down now.
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Re: Music licence for radio in the office?
« Reply #2 on: 18 June 2008, 11:29:47 »

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You do need a license for such radio use sadly......and PRS seem to be chasing such things down now.

Hmmm......It seems to me that if that's the case then performers are getting a double whammy for being paid by the radio stations and then again by listeners which is almost the same as bringing back the radio licence that was done away with years ago.

The way I see it we could have loads of employees on the road in company cars listening to the same radio broadcast that don't have to pay, but then if they're all in one place at the same time we have to pay! It doesn't make sense. :-?
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Re: Music licence for radio in the office?
« Reply #3 on: 18 June 2008, 11:57:23 »

Are you sitting down in your office?
The cost of a licence for upto 20 people in an office is (for any copywrited sounds Radio, cd etc. is.............£241.60 and if you get caught without one they charge you half the price again. So thats £362.40 if they catch you. :'( :'(
If you get any strange visitors to your office (turn it off till they've gone)
I know in Retail they send mystery shoppers (sneaky bastards)
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Re: Music licence for radio in the office?
« Reply #4 on: 18 June 2008, 12:02:40 »

All the legal crap from these thieves is here ..

http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/playingbroadcastingonline/music_for_businesses/Pages/default.aspx

One solution .. that I believe to be legal - but may not be -, is that a single employee has a radio on their desk, that they provide, for their own personal use.

The fact that this employee likes music played loudly and no-one else in the building complains is irrelevant ....

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Re: Music licence for radio in the office?
« Reply #5 on: 18 June 2008, 12:16:08 »

Gordon Bennet  :o :o :o :o

We have about 9 different radios playing in this office right now....no one is aware of that in here  :o
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Re: Music licence for radio in the office?
« Reply #6 on: 18 June 2008, 12:50:14 »

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Do any members on here know about music licences for offices? We've recently had 3 letters from PRS (The Performing Rights Society)
advising us that we could be breaking the law by playing music in the office without a licence. We do have a radio in the office but I'm not sure how we stand.

Firstly it's not a large office with only about 12 people in at any one time and the radio is played so quietly that probably can only be heard by 4 or 5 people. Secondly, I was under the impression that the radio stations themselves payed copyright on all the material they play so before I investigate further I wondered if anyone on here had any knowledge or experience of this. :-/

 ;D

Actually I was just thinking about this bullsh**, there was a guy who had a garage with a radio playing in the background. Then one day some twa* showed up in a suit and said they owed him money, he was from the PRS. Said the garage needed a license to broadcast music to multiple people.

The PRS guy quoted something along the lines of "we ensure that small performing artists are paid royalties for their music who are not privy to the payments made to other artists that have contacts with large multinationals".  

So in short some crappy porto-cabin somewhere in the outer Hebrides fulled with a bunch of dossers get money from hard working individuals and businesses so they can distribute it to the small artists. I know some musicians and they've never got money from the PRS.

I guess its like Robin Hood, robbing the poor to pay the...... PRS to pay the small poor artists that no body knows........ hummmm  :-/
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« Reply #7 on: 18 June 2008, 13:43:07 »

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Do any members on here know about music licences for offices? We've recently had 3 letters from PRS (The Performing Rights Society)
advising us that we could be breaking the law by playing music in the office without a licence. We do have a radio in the office but I'm not sure how we stand.

Firstly it's not a large office with only about 12 people in at any one time and the radio is played so quietly that probably can only be heard by 4 or 5 people. Secondly, I was under the impression that the radio stations themselves payed copyright on all the material they play so before I investigate further I wondered if anyone on here had any knowledge or experience of this. :-/

 ;D

Actually I was just thinking about this bullsh**, there was a guy who had a garage with a radio playing in the background. Then one day some twa* showed up in a suit and said they owed him money, he was from the PRS. Said the garage needed a license to broadcast music to multiple people.

The PRS guy quoted something along the lines of "we ensure that small performing artists are paid royalties for their music who are not privy to the payments made to other artists that have contacts with large multinationals".  

So in short some crappy porto-cabin somewhere in the outer Hebrides fulled with a bunch of dossers get money from hard working individuals and businesses so they can distribute it to the small artists. I know some musicians and they've never got money from the PRS.

I guess its like Robin Hood, robbing the poor to pay the...... PRS to pay the small poor artists that no body knows........ hummmm  :-/


Sounds like an extortion racket.

Best to have quiet or play music from friends bands only
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« Reply #8 on: 18 June 2008, 17:25:02 »

yes you do need a liscence to play the radio. F*CK*NG B*LL*CKS aint it. 1 way around this is to play tapes or cd's. you DON'T need a liscence for this as you've all ready paid for the material.  
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« Reply #9 on: 18 June 2008, 17:57:15 »

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Are you sitting down in your office?
The cost of a licence for upto 20 people in an office is (for any copywrited sounds Radio, cd etc. is.............£241.60 and if you get caught without one they charge you half the price again. So thats £362.40 if they catch you. :'( :'(
If you get any strange visitors to your office (turn it off till they've gone)
I know in Retail they send mystery shoppers (sneaky naughty boys)

Dead right they do! :(

Once it used to be common for our company branch managers to have the radio on for themselves and staff, which of course customers could hear.  PR got involved and politely informed us (in the 1980s) that we had to have one of their licences for every branch to cover this "performance", at then £90 per unit; we had 1100 branches then! :'( :'(    
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« Reply #10 on: 18 June 2008, 17:59:52 »

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yes you do need a liscence to play the radio. F*CK*NG B*LL*CKS aint it. 1 way around this is to play tapes or cd's. you DON'T need a liscence for this as you've all ready paid for the material.  

Sorry Chris, but yes you do! :o :o

If you are "Broadcasting" or "Performing" the material, which you are if playing it in a commercial situation to more than 2 people, then a Performing Rights Licence has to be purchased.  :'(

Just look at the copyright conditions on any tape, CD, DVD, etc.  
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« Reply #11 on: 18 June 2008, 18:29:31 »

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yes you do need a liscence to play the radio. F*CK*NG B*LL*CKS aint it. 1 way around this is to play tapes or cd's. you DON'T need a liscence for this as you've all ready paid for the material.  

Sorry Chris, but yes you do! :o :o

If you are "Broadcasting" or "Performing" the material, which you are if playing it in a commercial situation to more than 2 people, then a Performing Rights Licence has to be purchased.  :'(

Just look at the copyright conditions on any tape, CD, DVD, etc.  

Your right Lizzie, I was just informed from my folks who had a restaurant years ago that they had to buy a license, they think it was around £200 a year, even playing tapes (+15 years old) and cds (5+years old).

Doesn't matter what you do they will always find some way of ripping folk off.
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« Reply #12 on: 18 June 2008, 18:31:04 »

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yes you do need a liscence to play the radio. F*CK*NG B*LL*CKS aint it. 1 way around this is to play tapes or cd's. you DON'T need a liscence for this as you've all ready paid for the material.  

Sorry Chris, but yes you do! :o :o

If you are "Broadcasting" or "Performing" the material, which you are if playing it in a commercial situation to more than 2 people, then a Performing Rights Licence has to be purchased.  :'(

Just look at the copyright conditions on any tape, CD, DVD, etc.  

So does that mean Private Hire and Taxi"s need a license.??
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« Reply #13 on: 18 June 2008, 18:34:26 »

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yes you do need a liscence to play the radio. F*CK*NG B*LL*CKS aint it. 1 way around this is to play tapes or cd's. you DON'T need a liscence for this as you've all ready paid for the material.  

Sorry Chris, but yes you do! :o :o

If you are "Broadcasting" or "Performing" the material, which you are if playing it in a commercial situation to more than 2 people, then a Performing Rights Licence has to be purchased.  :'(

Just look at the copyright conditions on any tape, CD, DVD, etc.  

So does that mean Private Hire and Taxi"s need a license.??

Not absolutely certain about taxi's, but as you are entertaining, even unintentionally, members of the public paying a fare I believe so.  This applies to coaches and trains I know. :y

STOP PRESS:  Out of interest just checked on the PRS web site and they state :


"whether the performance is played live or by such means as CD, radio, DVD, TV, karaoke etc, whether a charge is made for admission, or whether the performers are paid, a PRS Music Licence is still necessary".
 
 
 
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« Reply #14 on: 18 June 2008, 18:56:25 »

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"whether the performance is played live or by such means as CD, radio, DVD, TV, karaoke etc, whether a charge is made for admission, or whether the performers are paid, a PRS Music Licence is still necessary".
  

Then why should it be paid?

The local band gets paid PRS doesn't pay them
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