In Ukraine, Russians are also murdering innocent civilians everyday, including those poor souls on MH17. There was a video, from a western news agency yesterday showing terrorists indiscriminately firing mortars into civilian areas as part of their propaganda war saying it is Ukrainian army using artillery.


You know that for sure do you Rods? You could stand up in a court of international law and on oath state that?

This thread was about Gaza and the Israeli's, but as usual a wider political point is trying to be made and being simplified in the process.
That is why this thread is unwise. Far too complicated for simple layman's comment! And none of all this is new.

No, but there is much that is being corroborated by multiple sources at the moment. Unless a political settlement attempts to hide (it cannot under international law stop people being indited for war crimes), then we will have to wait and see as personally I cannot vouch for anything that I don't see directly, but there are those that do and by being sensible you can vet into trusted and untrusted third-party sources when something is being confirmed from multiple sources. All sides use propaganda in a war, but so far the Ukraine with independently confirmed facts from multiple sources have been the more honest, but they have been consistently inflating the numbers of terrorists killed. It is much more difficult for Ukraine as an open democracy with an independent media to hide things compare to Russia which is an effective dictatorship and now only has a state controlled media with Kremlin approved editors. The events in Ukraine and what is appearing from multiple sources means it has been tagged the first social media war, where there is much more material from a much wider range of sources compared to Syria.
There is much that is being corroborated by multiple independent sources at the moment and I'm sure that much of this will be used in the future by The Hague and UN Human Rights Watch, where there will hopefully be war atrocity prosecutions. There is a new crowd funded website current being set up called Bellingcat by UK person Moses Brown for the forensic collection and investigation of what is happening in conflicts around the world. If you want to see the corroboration of facts from multiple sources on what is happening in Ukraine then go to the daily blog on the Ukraine war by the Interpretor Mag, all news is marked as unconfirmed until it has been confirmed by one or more other sources. All videos are unconfirmed until geo-located, which these days is much easier using Google's street-view (Yes, the Ukraine has been done) as well as journalists on the ground.
Social media has been Russia's weakness with much information (often quickly removed, which is why immediate screen capture is now being used by researchers and journalists) being released this way, very often small comments reveal or confirm something unexpectedly often by the Donbas terrorists on their social media pages or in press conferences with multiple journalists there.