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« Reply #45 on: 30 July 2014, 20:14:31 »

ok..  if you dont live in Gazza , without water, food, proper health services and under Israel military pressure its easy to talk.. I bet many of us here even cant stand 2 weeks there ..  :(


And Chris,  its not that simple how you think..  Palestinians is not boring and fingering Israel everyday ;D
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« Reply #46 on: 30 July 2014, 20:22:24 »

Yeeeeahs it is. Lawlessness. Pure and simple. Murder us illegal, be it by lynch mob or rocket.

They don't want to live by laws due to history. What was it Mandela said? "You must learn to forgive" or something along those lines.


It is easy sitting here though, true enough. :(
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« Reply #47 on: 30 July 2014, 23:06:57 »

The poor innocent children being killed and left homeless and parent less  :'( :'( :'( Is there no end to the murder  >:(
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« Reply #48 on: 31 July 2014, 02:14:41 »

The poor innocent children being killed and left homeless and parent less  :'( :'( :'( Is there no end to the murder  >:(
Not as long as human race exist  :-\
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« Reply #49 on: 31 July 2014, 10:00:35 »

Bolivia declares Israel a terrorist state .. and some latin america countries called their ambassadors..not surprising.. 


seems like west politicans need some courage ::)   and a lesson of humanity from those poor countries :y




http://online.wsj.com/articles/israel-faces-latin-american-backlash-1406770021










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« Reply #50 on: 31 July 2014, 10:37:04 »

Bolivia declares Israel a terrorist state .. and some latin america countries called their ambassadors..not surprising.. 


seems like west politicans need some courage ::)   and a lesson of humanity from those poor countries :y




http://online.wsj.com/articles/israel-faces-latin-american-backlash-1406770021

Israel is certainly a rogue state and not really a true democracy. More of a military democracy. Cem is corrrect when he says that countries in the west need to confront Israel, which is a 'law unto itself'... :-\
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« Reply #51 on: 31 July 2014, 10:46:01 »

The poor innocent children being killed and left homeless and parent less  :'( :'( :'( Is there no end to the murder  >:(

Murder is the correct word, Mr Emd. Israel is now free to bomb schools and hospitals because they say these places contain Hamas weapons.........an old blunderbuss, a couple of ancient rockets, and a rusty catapult.. :-\

I don't think that they even believe it themselves, but it gives Israel an excuse to flatten Gaza.  :-\
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« Reply #52 on: 31 July 2014, 15:17:02 »

In Ukraine, Russians are also murdering innocent civilians everyday, including those poor souls on MH17. There was a video, from a western news agency yesterday showing terrorists indiscriminately firing mortars into civilian areas as part of their propaganda war saying it is Ukrainian army using artillery. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #53 on: 31 July 2014, 18:15:51 »

In Ukraine, Russians are also murdering innocent civilians everyday, including those poor souls on MH17. There was a video, from a western news agency yesterday showing terrorists indiscriminately firing mortars into civilian areas as part of their propaganda war saying it is Ukrainian army using artillery. >:( >:( >:( >:(


whats the relationship between poor palestinians and ukrainians Rods ::)


they are rich , have water, electricty, health services , can move freely and even go abroad for summer vacation


also all community services working non-stop .. even discos and nightlife is active and tourists also traveling to Ukraine..  :)


I have a close friend married to an Ukrainian girl and just arrived from there.. and she didnt complain about anything ???




can you see any bombs dropping ;D
http://www.mylivestreams.com/webcam/independence-square-kiev-live-webcam-kiev-ukraine/11367.html
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« Reply #54 on: 31 July 2014, 19:08:22 »

seems like Obama has seen the truth that all Israel attacks are charged to Usa.. which may have expected and known consequences..




http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183495#.U9qEd-OSxA0


and one correction : Turkey is not on the side of hamas , may be some politicians only..




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« Reply #55 on: 31 July 2014, 19:22:32 »

just watch how a city destroyed  :( 


http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x22fzr4
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« Reply #56 on: 31 July 2014, 19:33:04 »

In Ukraine, Russians are also murdering innocent civilians everyday, including those poor souls on MH17. There was a video, from a western news agency yesterday showing terrorists indiscriminately firing mortars into civilian areas as part of their propaganda war saying it is Ukrainian army using artillery. >:( >:( >:( >:(

???

You know that for sure do you Rods?  You could stand up in a court of international law and on oath state that? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

This thread was about Gaza and the Israeli's, but as usual a wider political point is trying to be made and being simplified in the process.

That is why this thread is unwise.  Far too complicated for simple layman's comment! And none of all this is new. ::) ::)
« Last Edit: 31 July 2014, 19:34:36 by Lizzie Zoom »
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« Reply #57 on: 31 July 2014, 20:37:28 »

In Ukraine, Russians are also murdering innocent civilians everyday, including those poor souls on MH17. There was a video, from a western news agency yesterday showing terrorists indiscriminately firing mortars into civilian areas as part of their propaganda war saying it is Ukrainian army using artillery. >:( >:( >:( >:(

???

You know that for sure do you Rods?  You could stand up in a court of international law and on oath state that? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

This thread was about Gaza and the Israeli's, but as usual a wider political point is trying to be made and being simplified in the process.

That is why this thread is unwise.  Far too complicated for simple layman's comment! And none of all this is new. ::) ::)

No, but there is much that is being corroborated by multiple sources at the moment. Unless a political settlement attempts to hide (it cannot under international law stop people being indited for war crimes), then we will have to wait and see as personally I cannot vouch for anything that I don't see directly, but there are those that do and by being sensible you can vet into trusted and untrusted third-party sources when something is being confirmed from multiple sources. All sides use propaganda in a war, but so far the Ukraine with independently confirmed facts from multiple sources have been the more honest, but they have been consistently inflating the numbers of terrorists killed. It is much more difficult for Ukraine as an open democracy with an independent media to hide things compare to Russia which is an effective dictatorship and now only has a state controlled media with Kremlin approved editors. The events in Ukraine and what is appearing from multiple sources means it has been tagged the first social media war, where there is much more material from a much wider range of sources compared to Syria.

There is much that is being corroborated by multiple independent sources at the moment and I'm sure that much of this will be used in the future by The Hague and UN Human Rights Watch, where there will hopefully be war atrocity prosecutions. There is a new crowd funded website current being set up called Bellingcat by UK person Moses Brown for the forensic collection and investigation of what is happening in conflicts around the world. If you want to see the corroboration of facts from multiple sources on what is happening in Ukraine then go to the daily blog on the Ukraine war by the Interpretor Mag, all news is marked as unconfirmed until it has been confirmed by one or more other sources. All videos are unconfirmed until geo-located, which these days is much easier using Google's street-view (Yes, the Ukraine has been done) as well as journalists on the ground.

Social media has been Russia's weakness with much information (often quickly removed, which is why immediate screen capture is now being used by researchers and journalists) being released this way, very often small comments reveal or confirm something unexpectedly often by the Donbas terrorists on their social media pages or in press conferences with multiple journalists there.
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Re: Isreal, Hamas, Gaza etc
« Reply #58 on: 31 July 2014, 20:39:56 »

In Ukraine, Russians are also murdering innocent civilians everyday, including those poor souls on MH17. There was a video, from a western news agency yesterday showing terrorists indiscriminately firing mortars into civilian areas as part of their propaganda war saying it is Ukrainian army using artillery. >:( >:( >:( >:(

???

You know that for sure do you Rods?  You could stand up in a court of international law and on oath state that? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

This thread was about Gaza and the Israeli's, but as usual a wider political point is trying to be made and being simplified in the process.

That is why this thread is unwise.  Far too complicated for simple layman's comment! And none of all this is new. ::) ::)

No, but there is much that is being corroborated by multiple sources at the moment. Unless a political settlement attempts to hide (it cannot under international law stop people being indited for war crimes), then we will have to wait and see as personally I cannot vouch for anything that I don't see directly, but there are those that do and by being sensible you can vet into trusted and untrusted third-party sources when something is being confirmed from multiple sources. All sides use propaganda in a war, but so far the Ukraine with independently confirmed facts from multiple sources have been the more honest, but they have been consistently inflating the numbers of terrorists killed. It is much more difficult for Ukraine as an open democracy with an independent media to hide things compare to Russia which is an effective dictatorship and now only has a state controlled media with Kremlin approved editors. The events in Ukraine and what is appearing from multiple sources means it has been tagged the first social media war, where there is much more material from a much wider range of sources compared to Syria.

There is much that is being corroborated by multiple independent sources at the moment and I'm sure that much of this will be used in the future by The Hague and UN Human Rights Watch, where there will hopefully be war atrocity prosecutions. There is a new crowd funded website current being set up called Bellingcat by UK person Moses Brown for the forensic collection and investigation of what is happening in conflicts around the world. If you want to see the corroboration of facts from multiple sources on what is happening in Ukraine then go to the daily blog on the Ukraine war by the Interpretor Mag, all news is marked as unconfirmed until it has been confirmed by one or more other sources. All videos are unconfirmed until geo-located, which these days is much easier using Google's street-view (Yes, the Ukraine has been done) as well as journalists on the ground.

Social media has been Russia's weakness with much information (often quickly removed, which is why immediate screen capture is now being used by researchers and journalists) being released this way, very often small comments reveal or confirm something unexpectedly often by the Donbas terrorists on their social media pages or in press conferences with multiple journalists there.

Fair enough, and thanks for that explanation Rods :y :y
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Re: Isreal, Hamas, Gaza etc
« Reply #59 on: 31 July 2014, 20:49:05 »

In Ukraine, Russians are also murdering innocent civilians everyday, including those poor souls on MH17. There was a video, from a western news agency yesterday showing terrorists indiscriminately firing mortars into civilian areas as part of their propaganda war saying it is Ukrainian army using artillery. >:( >:( >:( >:(

???

You know that for sure do you Rods?  You could stand up in a court of international law and on oath state that? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

This thread was about Gaza and the Israeli's, but as usual a wider political point is trying to be made and being simplified in the process.

That is why this thread is unwise.  Far too complicated for simple layman's comment! And none of all this is new. ::) ::)

No, but there is much that is being corroborated by multiple sources at the moment. Unless a political settlement attempts to hide (it cannot under international law stop people being indited for war crimes), then we will have to wait and see as personally I cannot vouch for anything that I don't see directly, but there are those that do and by being sensible you can vet into trusted and untrusted third-party sources when something is being confirmed from multiple sources. All sides use propaganda in a war, but so far the Ukraine with independently confirmed facts from multiple sources have been the more honest, but they have been consistently inflating the numbers of terrorists killed. It is much more difficult for Ukraine as an open democracy with an independent media to hide things compare to Russia which is an effective dictatorship and now only has a state controlled media with Kremlin approved editors. The events in Ukraine and what is appearing from multiple sources means it has been tagged the first social media war, where there is much more material from a much wider range of sources compared to Syria.

There is much that is being corroborated by multiple independent sources at the moment and I'm sure that much of this will be used in the future by The Hague and UN Human Rights Watch, where there will hopefully be war atrocity prosecutions. There is a new crowd funded website current being set up called Bellingcat by UK person Moses Brown for the forensic collection and investigation of what is happening in conflicts around the world. If you want to see the corroboration of facts from multiple sources on what is happening in Ukraine then go to the daily blog on the Ukraine war by the Interpretor Mag, all news is marked as unconfirmed until it has been confirmed by one or more other sources. All videos are unconfirmed until geo-located, which these days is much easier using Google's street-view (Yes, the Ukraine has been done) as well as journalists on the ground.

Social media has been Russia's weakness with much information (often quickly removed, which is why immediate screen capture is now being used by researchers and journalists) being released this way, very often small comments reveal or confirm something unexpectedly often by the Donbas terrorists on their social media pages or in press conferences with multiple journalists there.

Fair enough, and thanks for that explanation Rods :y :y

I think that you two could become an item....... :-* :-* :-* :D ;)
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