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Codes 19 and 89
« on: 27 September 2014, 11:31:05 »

I know these have been talked about before, but I really wanted to verify.

First off the symptoms:
 Runs fine when engine cold, but really lumpy idle (eventually dies) when engine warm. Sometimes when driving off, the car hesitates, like it would get too much fuel, or like some cylinders wouldn't fire. Also poor pull if doing kickdown.

I used to have oily plugs and wells before, changed the gaskets to genuine Opel ones, checked plugs 1 and 3 (easiest access) and they are dry now. Also changed all the plugs.

So yeah, idle is f***ed up, so I checked the codes and got these. Now, is it certain that with these codes and veeery lumpy idle, that the problem is the crank sensor?

Oh, the car is 3.0 auto.

Thank you :)
« Last Edit: 27 September 2014, 11:34:37 by kluku5 »
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #1 on: 27 September 2014, 12:00:07 »

When was coil pack and ht leads last changed?
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #2 on: 27 September 2014, 12:03:33 »

Last year around Christmas I think
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #3 on: 28 September 2014, 09:33:08 »

So what do You think, can the sluggish drive off be associated with crank sensor, or does it look more like DIS pack?
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #4 on: 28 September 2014, 09:53:25 »

Check the resistance of leads and resintance of DIS pack. Sounds exactly same as when i had my DIS broken, threw up the "lambda open loop" code too..
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #5 on: 28 September 2014, 09:56:19 »

The 19 is generally conclusive.

89 is rear multiram IIRC?
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #6 on: 28 September 2014, 10:01:21 »

" 89   O2 Sensor 2 Open Circuit ". I thought crank sensor failure includes only difficult starting and cutting off? Might be crank sensor but still worth checking leads and DIS :)
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #7 on: 28 September 2014, 10:22:10 »

I remember someone here said that when cranck sensor fails it usually throws up the lambda code too.

I agree the DIS pack and leads should be checked. I did notice a drop of water around that area after it rained ...

But, don't go crazy, the cranck sensor I have at the moment, is not a genuine one, since at the time I bought it, I also needed a shitton of other stuff for the engine aswell so yeah
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #8 on: 28 September 2014, 10:34:52 »

But, don't go crazy, the cranck sensor I have at the moment, is not a genuine one
I think we've found the fault  ::)
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #9 on: 28 September 2014, 10:39:31 »

I remember someone here said that when cranck sensor fails it usually throws up the lambda code too.

I agree the DIS pack and leads should be checked. I did notice a drop of water around that area after it rained ...

But, don't go crazy, the cranck sensor I have at the moment, is not a genuine one, since at the time I bought it, I also needed a shitton of other stuff for the engine aswell so yeah
crank sensor rarely throws lamda codes. It often throws a MAF code (73/74)
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #10 on: 28 September 2014, 10:43:10 »

Hopefully it's the cranck sensor though, it is cheaper and easier to replace, but the water drop still makes me a bit nervous. I did seal the plastic wiper cover thingy with silicone, some water still gets through.
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #11 on: 28 September 2014, 10:46:08 »

Have you cleaned scuttle drains?
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #12 on: 28 September 2014, 10:50:24 »

Yes. Probably need to throw a bucket of water on the windshield, maybe I'll see where it comes through?
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #13 on: 28 September 2014, 11:00:20 »

Yes do that, or if yoy have garden hose etc. it will be even easier :y
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Re: Codes 19 and 89
« Reply #14 on: 28 September 2014, 11:42:17 »

I had a search and it seems that testing the DIS pack without special tools wont reveal much. I guess I'll just have to replace them both, starting from the cheaper one.
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