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[05omegav6]

Not driven a truck then... Only 8 gears would be a blessing

[cem_devecioglu]

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it may work but all proper cars have a hand brake

they do ............ P for park 

I'll recommend trying to use this P position when making sideways on a corner

[cem_devecioglu]

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Personally I'm amazed the manual gearbox still exists in this century in all but the most driver-focused cars like Caterhams etc.. I'd imagine it's purely down to extra costs of manufacture and fractional lower mpg.......

On the later bmw diesels the mpg of the auto is better around town than the manual and marginally quicker 0-60mph. 
Not much in it combined. 

 


so goes faster with less fuel... yep..when the fish climbs the tree

The fish must be climbing the trees then Cem. 
I speak from my daily personal experience, so I'd like to think that I'm in a position to comment on this. 
Times have changed, technology has moved on, and you have flappy paddles to play with if you get bored. 

your proposal contradicts with the nature of mechanics..


what model and year your bmw is ?

[05omegav6]

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it may work but all proper cars have a hand brake

they do ............ P for park 

I'll recommend trying to use this P position when making sideways on a corner

Indeed P for Pollox when it goes krrrkrrrrgggghhh when you try it...

[henryd]

So is my Touareg,I wouldn't want that with the fourth pedal

Hang on..

Accelerator, brake, clutch … fourth pedal?

 

My auto Merc has three pedals ....... throttle, brake & emergency/parking brake 

Aye,same as Touareg

[aaronjb]

Not driven a truck then... Only 8 gears would be a blessing

Yes but it takes a certain kind of weirdo to want to drive trucks for a liv.. uhhh.. oh hi Al!

[YZ250]

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Personally I'm amazed the manual gearbox still exists in this century in all but the most driver-focused cars like Caterhams etc.. I'd imagine it's purely down to extra costs of manufacture and fractional lower mpg.......

On the later bmw diesels the mpg of the auto is better around town than the manual and marginally quicker 0-60mph. 
Not much in it combined. 

 


so goes faster with less fuel... yep..when the fish climbs the tree

The fish must be climbing the trees then Cem. 
I speak from my daily personal experience, so I'd like to think that I'm in a position to comment on this. 
Times have changed, technology has moved on, and you have flappy paddles to play with if you get bored. 

your proposal contradicts with the nature of mechanics..


what model and year your bmw is ?

As per signature below, 2014 430d 8 speed auto, but it matters not as the 2.0d auto is more efficient around town and marginally quicker to 60mph than its manual brother/sister as well.  As said, not much in the combined figures. 
If someone orders a manual, with the exception of M's, it's normally the smaller engines with lower spec. 
As Aaron said, the 8 speed box does rapid changes to keep within the power band. You get less feeling of brutal acceleration but it still delivers the goods. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

And what  was so very wrong with the 3 speed Borg Warner auto as fitted to the 1972 Jaguar XJ12?

It used good old fashioned torque to fill in any gaps in the power curve.

My CLS 500 came with a 7 speed auto....and it could never quite decide which gear was needed.

[henryd]

And what  was so very wrong with the 3 speed Borg Warner auto as fitted to the 1972 Jaguar XJ12?

It used good old fashioned torque to fill in any gaps in the power curve.

My CLS 500 came with a 7 speed auto....and it could never quite decide which gear was needed.

Thats luxury,remember the Cresta/Viscount 2 speed powerglide transmission

[05omegav6]

Not driven a truck then... Only 8 gears would be a blessing

Yes but it takes a certain kind of weirdo to want to drive trucks for a liv.. uhhh.. oh hi Al!

[aaronjb]

I'll stick the pickup in 4LO (and 4HI when I run out) tonight and pretend I have 12 gears, just for you

(Actually I think if I tried to flip from 4LO to 4HI in 6th the gearbox would probably go bang.. or more likely the ECU will just beep at me)

[cem_devecioglu]

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Personally I'm amazed the manual gearbox still exists in this century in all but the most driver-focused cars like Caterhams etc.. I'd imagine it's purely down to extra costs of manufacture and fractional lower mpg.......

On the later bmw diesels the mpg of the auto is better around town than the manual and marginally quicker 0-60mph. 
Not much in it combined. 

 


so goes faster with less fuel... yep..when the fish climbs the tree

The fish must be climbing the trees then Cem. 
I speak from my daily personal experience, so I'd like to think that I'm in a position to comment on this. 
Times have changed, technology has moved on, and you have flappy paddles to play with if you get bored. 

your proposal contradicts with the nature of mechanics..


what model and year your bmw is ?

As per signature below, 2014 430d 8 speed auto, but it matters not as the 2.0d auto is more efficient around town and marginally quicker to 60mph than its manual brother/sister as well.  As said, not much in the combined figures. 
If someone orders a manual, with the exception of M's, it's normally the smaller engines with lower spec. 
As Aaron said, the 8 speed box does rapid changes to keep within the power band. You get less feeling of brutal acceleration but it still delivers the goods. 

2014 430d carries a newly designed 8 speed (zf 8hp) ..  and there is no produced similiar ratio 8 speed manual  for 430d to compare acceleration and consumption values.. 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_4_Series_%28F32%29


but  I can easily say any 8 speed manual with same ratios can beat  it hands down..


why because there is still a torque converter which will loose energy (meaning power).. it may shift quickly (200 ms) but inevitable to be beaten by an automated manual..  if we compare like by like..




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_time

[Nick W]

Didn't V12 Jags use the GM TH400 like Rolls Royce and Ferrari?
But you're right about torque, it makes for a much better drive.

[cem_devecioglu]

and by the way still most autos combined with diesels have stupid microchips incapable of shifting quickly..


even if we assume they shift quickly and have lots of gears , I dont want to be the owner when this complicated trannys go bang

[05omegav6]

I'll stick the pickup in 4LO (and 4HI when I run out) tonight and pretend I have 12 gears, just for you

(Actually I think if I tried to flip from 4LO to 4HI in 6th the gearbox would probably go bang.. or more likely the ECU will just beep at me)

You have a warranty, what's the worst that could happen not my car