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[Varche]

Much as it hurts to say, I would have done similar.

No high profile Guantanamo Bay, somewhere off radar and then the folk disappear.

It doesn't sit at all well with human rights, civilisation etc etc But what do you do with people who live outside those boundaries quite happily. In the old days the king would just condemn them without trial or banish to somewhere like Oz.

That is what is missing now for returning Islamist etc terrorists

Is the USA now liable for court cases and payouts?

[Rog]

 I don't see what the fuss is about, water boarding is quite fun . . . .

Ah sorry, I meant water skiing   

[Sir Tigger KC]

Rectal feeding?   

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Sadly, good old 'Dubya' was never blessed with much in the way of brains. A retarded goat probably has a higher I.Q.

However, with the twin towers coming down he needed to look like he was in control of the situation......which he wasn't.

[05omegav6]

Sadly, good old 'Dubya' was never blessed with anything in the way of brains. A retarded goat has a higher I.Q.

However, with the twin towers coming down he needed to look like he was in control of the situation......which he wasn't.

Credit where it's due, the goat can fend for itself

[cem_devecioglu]

.... And 911 has just hit the fan big time. You have suspects in custody that you think might know stuff. You think there a good chance of further attack.


....bah, you know the story. Personally, I see it as a risk against your people, versus consequences of this coming to light later. A lose lose situation. Damned if you do damned if you don't. I'd take the consequences later I think.

Of course, the report , mentions none of this.


Oh, and btw. You don't have a Chrystal ball. What do you do?

a few minutes after I'll take a journey.. but before that here are my words..  I have shared lots of stuff about 9/11 which showed it was a setup.. and interestingly many Usa citizens share the same opinion with me.. the question is : was Bush unaware of what his mates and cia had done ?
but looking at this family history, probably knew .. because he took a long path before becoming a president..  and I dont think he only watched the sky

[Gaffers]

Regardless of the conditions of the moment, history has always taught us that torture gives you nothing valuable in terms of Intel and only problems in the cold light of day......Studies of numerous historical military conflicts will confirm this to anyone with half a brain.

It is the fear of the unknown which drives the desire to resort to such measures and displays a certain lack of moral courage to concede to that base instinct rather than thinking rationally and taking decisions with an educated, analytical mind.

[Shackeng]

.... And 911 has just hit the fan big time. You have suspects in custody that you think might know stuff. You think there a good chance of further attack.


....bah, you know the story. Personally, I see it as a risk against your people, versus consequences of this coming to light later. A lose lose situation. Damned if you do damned if you don't. I'd take the consequences later I think.

Of course, the report , mentions none of this.


Oh, and btw. You don't have a Chrystal ball. What do you do?

a few minutes after I'll take a journey.. but before that here are my words..  I have shared lots of stuff about 9/11 which showed it was a setup.. and interestingly many Usa citizens share the same opinion with me.. the question is : was Bush unaware of what his mates and cia had done ?
but looking at this family history, probably knew .. because he took a long path before becoming a president..  and I dont think he only watched the sky

Yes, I think these are the same people who were recently abducted by aliens, before being impregnated with small furry creatures, and then returned to Earth.

[chrisgixer]

Regardless of the conditions of the moment, history has always taught us that torture gives you nothing valuable in terms of Intel and only problems in the cold light of day......Studies of numerous historical military conflicts will confirm this to anyone with half a brain.

It is the fear of the unknown which drives the desire to resort to such measures and displays a certain lack of moral courage to concede to that base instinct rather than thinking rationally and taking decisions with an educated, analytical mind.

Ah, so we come down to management being "fit for purpose" again. In very general terms of course. Rarely have I encounteted individuals worthy of, well.....leadership, I suppose, even ignoring situations where the shit really has hit the fan.

I can't imagine the pressure these people encounteted during the events of 911.


But how far to take this moral fibre? Much as I feel he deserved it, how does the report on torture balance with the shooting, or even murder, of OBL? Don't get me wrong, nobody is complaining, but that can't really be justified either, can it? Rush the house, shoot him dead, take the body, identify him. Lob the body over board. Is that legal?

[Varche]

So that is several dozen sitting on the fence and one who would have done the same.

So what are all you do gooders going to do with returning Islamic Jihadist fundamentalists? Put them in jail for three years, out in 18 months so they can become martyrs and go back?

I think it is high time someone with backbone came up with a solution for stateless people. Oh wait we haven't got anyone.

You have people trying to become worthwhile citizens by passing a test and on the other hand people who clearly are not worthy of British Citizenship. I say take their passport and citizenship off them. maybe I am missing something e.g. forged passports and Id's are two a penny.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

.... And 911 has just hit the fan big time. You have suspects in custody that you think might know stuff. You think there a good chance of further attack.


....bah, you know the story. Personally, I see it as a risk against your people, versus consequences of this coming to light later. A lose lose situation. Damned if you do damned if you don't. I'd take the consequences later I think.

Of course, the report , mentions none of this.


Oh, and btw. You don't have a Chrystal ball. What do you do?

As I said to my father who I was visiting on that fateful day, WAR had been declared on the United States of America and if I had been the President I would, after sitting down with all my advisors, order the tracking down and elimination of all those responsible by ANY MEANS.

That is what a leader of the world super power does when attacked and around 3,000 innocent lives are lost on your country's soil. You do what Roosevelt did on the 8th December 1941, declare war, mobilize your military and associated agencies for war. All in defence of the realm.

[X30XE]

.... And 911 has just hit the fan big time. You have suspects in custody that you think might know stuff. You think there a good chance of further attack.


....bah, you know the story. Personally, I see it as a risk against your people, versus consequences of this coming to light later. A lose lose situation. Damned if you do damned if you don't. I'd take the consequences later I think.

Of course, the report , mentions none of this.


Oh, and btw. You don't have a Chrystal ball. What do you do?

a few minutes after I'll take a journey.. but before that here are my words..  I have shared lots of stuff about 9/11 which showed it was a setup.. and interestingly many Usa citizens share the same opinion with me.. the question is : was Bush unaware of what his mates and cia had done ?
but looking at this family history, probably knew .. because he took a long path before becoming a president..  and I dont think he only watched the sky

Yes, amazing the number of people who choose to ignore the mountain of evidence in support of that and instead accept the official account.  When senior academics resign from highly paid jobs at major universities in order to stand by their principals and say "hold on a minute... laws of physics anyone?" perhaps they shouldn't just be dismissed by armchair politicians and Generals on car forums.   

[chrisgixer]

.... And 911 has just hit the fan big time. You have suspects in custody that you think might know stuff. You think there a good chance of further attack.


....bah, you know the story. Personally, I see it as a risk against your people, versus consequences of this coming to light later. A lose lose situation. Damned if you do damned if you don't. I'd take the consequences later I think.

Of course, the report , mentions none of this.


Oh, and btw. You don't have a Chrystal ball. What do you do?

a few minutes after I'll take a journey.. but before that here are my words..  I have shared lots of stuff about 9/11 which showed it was a setup.. and interestingly many Usa citizens share the same opinion with me.. the question is : was Bush unaware of what his mates and cia had done ?
but looking at this family history, probably knew .. because he took a long path before becoming a president..  and I dont think he only watched the sky

Yes, amazing the number of people who choose to ignore the mountain of evidence in support of that and instead accept the official account.  When senior academics resign from highly paid jobs at major universities in order to stand by their principals and say "hold on a minute... laws of physics anyone?" perhaps they shouldn't just be dismissed by armchair politicians and Generals on car forums.   

Perhaps they shouldn't be accepted by the like either.

[tigers_gonads]

What would you do ?

I think Kenny had the right idea 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xGMWZJlA0QA

[Lagondanet]

Please explain to me (new to OOF) why '9/11 was a set up.'