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[Shackeng]

In standard form, the 2.5TD is a dog of a motor. Far too sluggish.  Chipped, its a decent motor, though still not a V6 beater.

Avoid the TD autos, its not a good combination for economy, and you're going diesel for economy.  As much as the Omega's manual box annoys me, manual is the only viable option for a TD.

I miss my old (auto) chipped TD Elite, it was a lovely motor, despite its "issues" when I bought it (a long running forum saga from 6 or 7 years ago ), I was a first class prat to sell it  , but it went to a good home with another OOF owner, and served them well until they part-ex it for a people carrier IIRC.

The TD, though, when it lets go, it does so quite spectacularly. Oil changes every 3k are essential.

I disagree. For outright performance and economy maybe, but I find my chipped auto Estate, which I've had for 15 years,a very pleasant car to drive. (I also have a 3.2 Elite saloon). TB is well known as an  'enthusiastic' driver, but not everyone is.

[Magwheels]

I too loved my old 2.5 td auto estate and although not the fastest thing I have ever driven easily kept with town traffic and on the motorway overtook most due to the low gearing and reasonable mpg at speed. The only reason I got rid of it to be honest was that I had had it for 9yrs, it was getting tatty body wise and I fancied a later one. I then found out it was nigh on impossible to find exactly what I wanted so I settled for the 2.2Dti I have now which although not as smooth beats the 2.5td for mpg hands down.

[relluf]

In standard form, the 2.5TD is a dog of a motor. Far too sluggish.  Chipped, its a decent motor, though still not a V6 beater.

Avoid the TD autos, its not a good combination for economy, and you're going diesel for economy.  As much as the Omega's manual box annoys me, manual is the only viable option for a TD.

I miss my old (auto) chipped TD Elite, it was a lovely motor, despite its "issues" when I bought it (a long running forum saga from 6 or 7 years ago ), I was a first class prat to sell it  , but it went to a good home with another OOF owner, and served them well until they part-ex it for a people carrier IIRC.

The TD, though, when it lets go, it does so quite spectacularly. Oil changes every 3k are essential.

Each to their own i guess but i disagree, I am not a boy racer(not saying TB is either)but each have different expectations mine is essentially my works van and it performs that function very well and I dont think I hold anybody up on the road!

[Shackeng]

In standard form, the 2.5TD is a dog of a motor. Far too sluggish.  Chipped, its a decent motor, though still not a V6 beater.

Avoid the TD autos, its not a good combination for economy, and you're going diesel for economy.  As much as the Omega's manual box annoys me, manual is the only viable option for a TD.

I miss my old (auto) chipped TD Elite, it was a lovely motor, despite its "issues" when I bought it (a long running forum saga from 6 or 7 years ago ), I was a first class prat to sell it  , but it went to a good home with another OOF owner, and served them well until they part-ex it for a people carrier IIRC.

The TD, though, when it lets go, it does so quite spectacularly. Oil changes every 3k are essential.

Each to their own i guess but i disagree, I am not a boy racer(not saying TB is either)but each have different expectations mine is essentially my works van and it performs that function very well and I dont think I hold anybody up on the road!

 

[TheBoy]

I'll concede I too loved my TD auto, once chipped. But we buy diesels for economy, and the autobox kills that.

It's well known I hate the Omega manual box with venomous passions, but I think its the best combo for TDs

I worked it out at the time, fuel and servicing costs, there was very little between my 3.0l auto MV6 (pre lpg days) and my 2.5TD auto Elite (chipped, so economy improved over standard). That was one reason my head said to sell. My heart always said different 

[Shackeng]

I'll concede I too loved my TD auto, once chipped. But we buy diesels for economy, and the autobox kills that.

It's well known I hate the Omega manual box with venomous passions, but I think its the best combo for TDs

I worked it out at the time, fuel and servicing costs, there was very little between my 3.0l auto MV6 (pre lpg days) and my 2.5TD auto Elite (chipped, so economy improved over standard). That was one reason my head said to sell. My heart always said different 

Interesting, mine seems worse, using brim to brim method, as the computer overreads when chipped.

[TheBoy]

I'll concede I too loved my TD auto, once chipped. But we buy diesels for economy, and the autobox kills that.

It's well known I hate the Omega manual box with venomous passions, but I think its the best combo for TDs

I worked it out at the time, fuel and servicing costs, there was very little between my 3.0l auto MV6 (pre lpg days) and my 2.5TD auto Elite (chipped, so economy improved over standard). That was one reason my head said to sell. My heart always said different 

Interesting, mine seems worse, using brim to brim method, as the computer overreads when chipped.

My 428's brim-to-brim method MPG increase from about 28mpg to about 32mpg when chipped.  MID read about 37-38mpg, as you say.

[Magwheels]

I'll concede I too loved my TD auto, once chipped. But we buy diesels for economy, and the autobox kills that.

It's well known I hate the Omega manual box with venomous passions, but I think its the best combo for TDs

I worked it out at the time, fuel and servicing costs, there was very little between my 3.0l auto MV6 (pre lpg days) and my 2.5TD auto Elite (chipped, so economy improved over standard). That was one reason my head said to sell. My heart always said different 

Interesting, mine seems worse, using brim to brim method, as the computer overreads when chipped.

My 428's brim-to-brim method MPG increase from about 28mpg to about 32mpg when chipped.  MID read about 37-38mpg, as you say.

That is a good reflective figure of real world numbers, mine always averaged (over hundreds of miles) around the 31 mark and that was with short and longs runs and most of the time me driving it as economically as I could without driving like a pensioner on holiday.

Always wanted to experience it chipped but didn't fancy changing the gearbox for the 35. I am getting lazy in my old age, when younger I would have changed anything for another 10BHP!!

[TheBoy]

Always wanted to experience it chipped but didn't fancy changing the gearbox for the 35. I am getting lazy in my old age, when younger I would have changed anything for another 10BHP!!

Even unchipped, the AR25 will expire in the TD after about 120k, so you'll be shoving in an AR35 (or converting to manual) at some point

[Magwheels]

165k odd when I sold it and still perfect, gearbox wise, probably cos I was driving it like "driving Miss Daisy" but I just knew that if I chipped it (as I was sooo tempted) that it would most likely pop a week or so later and I would be in a world of hurt, grease and generally not happy.

What I really wanted was one of the last 2.5's, CDX or above with like you say a knackered gearbox so that I could get it at the right price and have the right reason to swap the box out, then chip it. Well one never turned up so I ended up with the Dti which to be honest has turned out to be a nice car now its had some tweeking.

[TheBoy]

165k odd when I sold it and still perfect, gearbox wise, probably cos I was driving it like "driving Miss Daisy" but I just knew that if I chipped it (as I was sooo tempted) that it would most likely pop a week or so later and I would be in a world of hurt, grease and generally not happy.

What I really wanted was one of the last 2.5's, CDX or above with like you say a knackered gearbox so that I could get it at the right price and have the right reason to swap the box out, then chip it. Well one never turned up so I ended up with the Dti which to be honest has turned out to be a nice car now its had some tweeking.

Blimey, must be a reckon

I did 3 in 20k

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Can't say I have personal experience of a manual TD (as mine's an Auto) so can't say how much more mpg it would do, but as a car mine - goes, stops, warms my bum, plays my CDs, does 25 to the gallon on average (that's mostly town driving) and has given me much tail-out action when I want it (not that I could ever condone such actions)

However, I'm not massively convinced there's much between the Diesels and the V6 - remember when they were first made Diesel was half the price of petrol, so perhaps made more economical sense back then, compared with now.

When you get on a run, so cruising at 50-60mph, there's an appreciable difference in economy, but not enough to tempt me to keep my turbo weasel. Bring on six lovely cylinders at a beautiful 54^o !!! 

[TheBoy]

When you get on a run, so cruising at 50-60mph

Sorry, you lost me at that point....

[05omegav6]

When you get on a run, so cruising at 50-60mph

Sorry, me lost you at that point....

Fixed

 

[Diamond Black Geezer]

 

Having to drive to the next town because my girlfriend forgot her lanyard for Uni, literally a day after we'd been at hers and I said - "now just confirm you have with you everything, absolutely everything you'll need over the next few days, before we leave" ... so I have to offset that fuel cost wherever I can.