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[chrisgixer]

...has been on the news. It's 1.5million refurb almost complete reportedly.

Faster in black though. Obviously.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13582357

[Bigron]

Spend £1.5 million and get the colour wrong? Hmmm....

Ron.

[chrisgixer]

Spend £1.5 million and get the colour wrong? Hmmm....

Ron.

Nooo. Black makes it faster. See?

[SIR Philbutt]

I read somewhere it was £4.2m

Would be good to see that go past at full tilt 

[chrisgixer]

I read somewhere it was £4.2m

Would be good to see that go past at full tilt 

So it seems.
 http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/19/flying-scotsman-restoration-nearing-completion

BBC reporting not known for its accuracy apparently.

[Marks DTM Calib]

It was reported by Tom Ingles who has 'interests' with the NRM so always going to paint a rosy picture.

Reality is that its massively over budget and an excellent example of how not to restore and manage a locomotive.

Consequently its cost over £4.2 million to restore on top of the £2.3 million original purchase cost.

To put that into perspective, Tornado cost £3 million to build with the new P2 estimated to cost £5 million

[SIR Philbutt]

Actually being done at Riley & Sons in Bury, Near Mr Beanz and not far from me

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/flying-scotsman-restoration-bury-firm-9690375

[Marks DTM Calib]

Actually being done at Riley & Sons in Bury, Near Mr Beanz and not far from me

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/flying-scotsman-restoration-bury-firm-9690375

Some of it has been, only the latter stages where they discovered yet more work and had to weld a new front end onto the frames.

Nice bloke is Ian, been there a few times and had some dealings with him, owns a few rather nice black fives. Last time I spoke to him he was saying he's moving out of the Bury works to a new place at Ramsbottom

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Wondering whether (as I do with any extensive restoration of a vehicle) it would have been better to build ground up a brand-new version, rather than end up replacing so much of the original. It's the eternal argument of restoration v conservation - as someone who did work in a museum for a time I know how strongly this argument rages.

Take a hypothetical 80 year old car with slightly flat paint and thin chrome, but otherwise original. It could look like brand new again, but nothing you actually touch - the paint, the chrome, the trim will actually be 80 years old, only the underneath bits. Or do we leave as is, because it's actually in pretty fine fettle for its age. There's very often no right or wrong answer to this, only opinion. And the opinion of whoever is in charge/there on the day of decision is what is settled on. Of course a complete wreck that's ripe for restoration is fair enough, but again, that begs the question (as with Babs, Parry Thomas's Land Speed Record Car) if something required 80% of its parts to be replaced, it's not really the 'original' car any more, now is it?

As I say, not really a right and wrong to this, it's more of a 'spectrum'.

[Marks DTM Calib]

The world of preservation has some mad decisions, there is pretty much bugger all left of the original flying Scotsman anyway (and even less now.....although its highly likely there was nothing of the original already).

Take some of these new builds, I have seen recent drawings in imperial measurements, you could not make it up! They then use non metric fasteners.....resulting in much much higher costs for fixings, drills, taps, dies and lower quality as the old BSW stuff is not nearly as controlled on quality. Drawings come back, for say the frames, in metric (as all modern manufacturers use metric) and they have to do conversions to check they are correct 

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Yup indeed. For some reason, too, the current trend is to replace like for like, eg: after the Windsor Casltle fire, brand new pale timbers, varnished and waxed up sit next to gnarly, blackened 400 year old ones, the idea being that the new ones 'should darken and patina over time'. Except that this isn't 1458 and there aren't clouds of nicotine/smoke, muck, animal fats spraying around any more, the place is a carefully controlled museum effectively. Those timbers will sit looking as out of place and odd-coloured in 500 years as they do now. It's bizarre.

Museum I was working at would stoically wipe over the old, dry, cracked leather (DYING for a feed of neatsfoot oil/leather cream etc) with a cloth and then sit there Brasso-ing up the brightwork of a 1912 Siddeley or whatever, each week, wearing off one micron of brass every single week. I inquired why not get it to shine, then laquer the brass, as opposed to wearing it away every time. 'That would not be original' was the reply.

People think museums are wonderful places, and they are, but there's a kind of hidden 'dark side' to them, of mad decisions which have sod all to do with looking after the exhibits.

[tigers_gonads]

The world of preservation has some mad decisions, there is pretty much bugger all left of the original flying Scotsman anyway (and even less now.....although its highly likely there was nothing of the original already).

Take some of these new builds, I have seen recent drawings in imperial measurements, you could not make it up! They then use non metric fasteners.....resulting in much much higher costs for fixings, drills, taps, dies and lower quality as the old BSW stuff is not nearly as controlled on quality. Drawings come back, for say the frames, in metric (as all modern manufacturers use metric) and they have to do conversions to check they are correct 

Sounds like the same team who worked on Nimrod MRA 4