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[Sir Tigger KC]

I was thinking about fox hunting today and the recent abandoned vote in Parliament. 

There was a lot of huffing and puffing from the 'Anti's' about the new proposals to allow Hunts to chase down a fox with a pack of hounds and then shoot it, rather than with  just two dogs, which is the law in England and Wales at the moment.

The thing is, in Scotland the 'Two dogs' rule has never applied and they've always been allowed to use a pack to chase down a fox, before shooting it.    So why arn't the 'Anti's' up in arms about the Scottish laws and demanding that the 'Two dogs' rule should apply there as well? 

Or is Scotland special or summat?   

I don't really care to be honest, but perhaps one of our more learned members could clear this conundrum up for me?    Ta! 

[pauls]

Would you go and tell a bunch of scots men with guns that they cant do something according to english law....

I woundnt

[Sir Tigger KC]

Would you go and tell a bunch of scots men with guns that they cant do something according to english law....

I woundnt

Pah! Men in skirts.....   

Thing is..... those men in skirts do it legally in Scotland, as Scottish law allows them to. 

[Varche]

I thought it wasn't, about hunting per es but the SNP flexing their voting muscle to remind Cameron that they still want everything.

[omega2018]

current law in england is that you can't hunt a fox with dogs, one two or a pack. hence the claim that fox hunting has been banned.   an exemption is that you can flush a fox out of a hole or cover then shoot it, provided you only use 2 dogs and that as soon as the fox is out, you shoot it. the dogs must not continue to pursue the fox once it has left cover.  if you use more than 2 dogs the fox is likely to be ripped apart before it can be shot, or chased by a pack of dogs (you could control 2 dogs but how to control a pack), which is pretty well fox hunting made legal again.   

the Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002 talks about allowing 'a dog' 'under control' to flush out a fox. one clause in it redefines 'a dog' - "references to hunting with, or the use of, “a dog” are to be interpreted as also applying to hunting with, or (as the case may be) the use of, two or more dogs.". another clause defines 'under control' as "a dog is “under control”
if—

(a)the person responsible for the dog is able to direct the dog’s activity by physical contact or verbal or audible command; or

(b)the dog is carrying out a series of actions appropriate to the activity undertaken, having been trained to do so. "


a cynic must see both these additions to the scottish act as there to allow fox hunting with dogs, which supposedly the act abolished. bit academic as no one seems to enforce the act in scotland anyway.

[Vamps]

current law in england is that you can't hunt a fox with dogs, one two or a pack. hence the claim that fox hunting has been banned.   an exemption is that you can flush a fox out of a hole or cover then shoot it, provided you only use 2 dogs and that as soon as the fox is out, you shoot it. the dogs must not continue to pursue the fox once it has left cover.  if you use more than 2 dogs the fox is likely to be ripped apart before it can be shot, or chased by a pack of dogs (you could control 2 dogs but how to control a pack), which is pretty well fox hunting made legal again.   

the Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002 talks about allowing 'a dog' 'under control' to flush out a fox. one clause in it redefines 'a dog' - "references to hunting with, or the use of, “a dog” are to be interpreted as also applying to hunting with, or (as the case may be) the use of, two or more dogs.". another clause defines 'under control' as "a dog is “under control”
if—

(a)the person responsible for the dog is able to direct the dog’s activity by physical contact or verbal or audible command; or

(b)the dog is carrying out a series of actions appropriate to the activity undertaken, having been trained to do so. "


a cynic must see both these additions to the scottish act as there to allow fox hunting with dogs, which supposedly the act abolished. bit academic as no one seems to enforce the act in scotland anyway.

Not just in Scotland............

[Sir Tigger KC]

Well the hunting acts are pretty unenforceable anyway and in my opinion were a complete waste of parliamentary time.    I certainly don't support the idea of the police wasting time and resources pursuing hunts.

I'm not particularly pro hunt or anti hunt, but I just don't understand why the Anti hunt brigade havn't been campaigning and agitating over the last 10 years for the law in Scotland to be changed.    After all they were up in arms at the prospect of hunting laws in England and Wales being relaxed. 

[Kevin Wood]

Well the hunting acts are pretty unenforceable anyway and in my opinion were a complete waste of parliamentary time.    I certainly don't support the idea of the police wasting time and resources pursuing hunts.

I'm not particularly pro hunt or anti hunt, but I just don't understand why the Anti hunt brigade havn't been campaigning and agitating over the last 10 years for the law in Scotland to be changed.    After all they were up in arms at the prospect of hunting laws in England and Wales being relaxed. 

Agreed. Proof that it isn't remotely about poor fluffy, cuddly, oppressed little Reynard.

[Tony H]

The present Government are just biding there time until they forward a bill that removes the entitlement for Scottish MPS to vote on English only propositions, then the fox hunting bill will re surface.