Omega Owners Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Welcome to OOF

Pages: [1] 2  All   Go Down

Author Topic: Any central heating experts about???  (Read 3842 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Crazycarzowner

  • Guest
Any central heating experts about???
« on: 18 October 2015, 19:28:51 »

Having a problem with ours in that the water pressure gauge keeps going into the red. I filled up the rads, bled them of air as I usually do about this time of year and I thought that would be that. Come 2 days later and the gauge, instead of being in the 'green' bet 1 - 3 bar is in the red? I topped it up again, repeated the process but within a day its back in the red again  >:( >:( >:(
I've looked for the obvious leaks around the rooms but everywhere is bone dry  :-\ :-\ :-\ so I'm struggling now for ideas?????
Help!
Logged

Marks DTM Calib

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • West Bridgford
  • Posts: 34010
  • Git!
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #1 on: 18 October 2015, 19:41:40 »

Check the pressure relief valve, it's the usual culprit and will be venting outside.

Logged

Crazycarzowner

  • Guest
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #2 on: 18 October 2015, 19:47:42 »

Sorry for sounding thick but what is one of them & where'd I find it???  :D
Logged

Broomies Mate

  • Omega Baron
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Bristol, UK
  • Posts: 3840
    • Stuff!
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #3 on: 18 October 2015, 19:49:32 »

Have a gander at the tap you use to fill the system, is it shutting off properly?  :-\
Logged
2004 Saab 9-5 Aero Merlot Red Stg1 noobtune
2009 Saab 9-5 Turbo Edition Titan Grey Stg3 noobtune
2017 Vauxhall Vivaro L1H1 125PS Star Silver

Crazycarzowner

  • Guest
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #4 on: 18 October 2015, 19:59:09 »

Ah!!! Just looked it up on the interweb, think I know why the outside floor is wet now, symptoms stated on the web point at the relief valve being faulty and dumping water through the safety relief valve??????  :-\ :-\ if I've read it right
Logged

tigers_gonads

  • Omega Lord
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Kinston Upon Hull
  • Posts: 8610
  • Driving a Honda CR-V which doesn't smell of pee
    • Honda CR-V
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #5 on: 18 October 2015, 20:08:07 »

Sorry for sounding thick but what is one of them & where'd I find it???  :D



The drain is normally a piece of 15mm copper pipe which goes from the relief valve on your boiler, via a hole in the outside wall alongside the flue and vents outside if the pressure gets too high.
If you have a look outside were the flue exits, you will probably see it  :y
Normally, they are angled downwards so any drips end up on the path outside.

If you remove the cover off the boiler, you will probably be able to see which pipe i'm talking about.
When you have found the pipe / valve, gently t@at the valve with a screwdriver a few times and see if it sorts it out  :y
If not, the valve will need replacing.
If its a sealed system, you will need to get hold of a flexi pipe and fill the system up until the gauge reads about 1 bar when cold before you do anything else.
Logged

tigers_gonads

  • Omega Lord
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Kinston Upon Hull
  • Posts: 8610
  • Driving a Honda CR-V which doesn't smell of pee
    • Honda CR-V
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #6 on: 18 October 2015, 20:08:44 »

Ah!!! Just looked it up on the interweb, think I know why the outside floor is wet now, symptoms stated on the web point at the relief valve being faulty and dumping water through the safety relief valve??????  :-\ :-\ if I've read it right



Yes   ;D ;D

Must type faster  ;D
Logged

sassanach

  • Omega Knight
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • trowbridge
  • Posts: 1161
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #7 on: 18 October 2015, 20:11:43 »

I reckon you need to have a shufti at this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_tank
only if this fails will the pressure valve vent.
Logged

tooleater

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Rickmansworth,  Herts
  • Posts: 558
    • Go faster Black MV6 Man
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #8 on: 19 October 2015, 15:50:19 »

If your Pressure Release Valve is dripping it will have failed for a reason. Classic symptom of rapidly rising Gauge is failed Expansion Vessel. Quick test find the Schrader valve on expansion vessel, remove cap and quickly press the pin, if any water comes out the Vessel has failed. Either way you will have to replace PRV :y
Logged

Shackeng

  • Omega Lord
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Ramsbury
  • Posts: 7763
    • 3.2 Elite 2.0 TitX Mondeo
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #9 on: 19 October 2015, 16:23:57 »

I have had one of these stuck slightly open with debris, probably rust scale. I cured it by overcharging the system and allowing a free flow of water for a few minutes. It reseated itself OK afterwards. Yours may be a different design, but worth a try before changing the valve. :y
Logged

redelitev6

  • Omega Baron
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • 0
  • Posts: 2370
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #10 on: 19 October 2015, 16:26:32 »

If your Pressure Release Valve is dripping it will have failed for a reason. Classic symptom of rapidly rising Gauge is failed Expansion Vessel. Quick test find the Schrader valve on expansion vessel, remove cap and quickly press the pin, if any water comes out the Vessel has failed. Either way you will have to replace PRV :y
:y exactly what happened to our boiler
Logged

Kevin Wood

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Alton, Hampshire
  • Posts: 36416
    • Jaguar XE 25t, Westfield
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #11 on: 19 October 2015, 16:26:50 »

The thing to do is to top up the pressure when cold, then watch what happens next time the system heats up.

If it's set to, say, 1 bar when cold, it would probably be normal to see the gauge rise to 1.5 or even 2 bar when fully heated up.

If it's rising to 3 BAR or more, the PRV will then open and you'll see dripping from the outlet outside. When the system returns to cold, the pressure will be low. These are classic symptoms of a pressure vessel failure.

If the pressure rise is not excessive, but you still have a dripping overflow from the PRV, then the valve has probably failed.

If the system loses pressure but there is no evidence of dripping from the PRV's outlet, then you have a leak elsewhere.
Logged
Tech2 services currently available. See TheBoy's price list: http://theboy.omegaowners.com/

baggers

  • Intermediate Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Heywood, Mcr
  • Posts: 279
    • Omega 3.0 & 2.2
    • View Profile
    • Property for sale/rent Online
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #12 on: 19 October 2015, 23:00:31 »

Could be one of a few things.
As mentioned if yours has a flexi pipe for filling the sysyem has it been disconected (it should have been) if not are the isolator valves shutting properly? if they're not this would over pressure the system.

The blow off pipe is 15mm you'll se that outside in a lot of cases it's pointing downwards but should ideally be facing the brickwork.

On the other hand it could be the expansion vessel, as mentioned check the valve see if water comes out, check the pressure if the pressure is wrong rectify and if works ok for a short while and symptom returns could wellbe the vessel.
Logged

Kevin Wood

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Alton, Hampshire
  • Posts: 36416
    • Jaguar XE 25t, Westfield
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #13 on: 19 October 2015, 23:31:41 »

When you say it's going "into the red" does this mean the pressure is too low or too high?
Logged
Tech2 services currently available. See TheBoy's price list: http://theboy.omegaowners.com/

Sir Tigger KC

  • Get A Life!!
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • West Dorset
  • Posts: 24737
    • BMW 530d Touring
    • View Profile
Re: Any central heating experts about???
« Reply #14 on: 19 October 2015, 23:55:55 »

When you say it's going "into the red" does this mean the pressure is too low or too high?

I've assumed that the pressure is too low, hence he needs to keep topping up.  ;)
Logged
RIP Paul 'Luvvie' Lovejoy

Politically homeless ......
Pages: [1] 2  All   Go Up
 

Page created in 0.011 seconds with 17 queries.