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[biggriffin]

It is going to take a very very brave person to deal with immigration, as they will be called a Nazi, what ever they do people will say thats the first step towards camps, who-ever is in charge of changing things will also have to be, not far from a dictator, as to many will say NO that's illegal, single minded ness, and when the status quo is returned as the majority want, then step down.

Yes Enoch was correct, but too many in power at the time could only see what had happened 30 years earlier.,people still think the same now.
As a Ps that stemo blokes right :Y There I said it.

[Olympia5776]

I watched a wonderful little film from the BFI archive earlier this evening on Sky channel 343 called Terminus . It was a fly on the wall view of 24 hours in the life of Waterloo Station London in 1961.
http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-terminus-1961/
Everything shown was now history from the way people dressed to the way they conducted themselves in all areas of life , it was all very genteel in a lovely way.
Apart from one West Indian gentleman the populace consisted wholly of white indigenous English / British.
50 years is a blink of an eye really and to compare then to now is frankly horrifying and the change being exponential renders any halt to it impossible.
My wife comes from Colindale NW London and we last visited her old Dad last April. I was astounded at the place ( again ) and couldn't wait to get back to the sanctuary of SW Ireland.
Perhaps as the younger generations , who know nothing but multiculturalism , grow older it will all work out but I'm glad that I won't see it in 30 years time , or less ,as I think it will be a dreadful place to live .
Very sad.

[Bigron]

Thank you for that great trip back down Memory Lane, Olympia; sad to say, I AM old enough to have been on Waterloo Station at around that time!
What contrasts most with today, looking at that film, is the fact that virtually every single person was English, or at least spoke the language, and understood the system, from those using the station to all of the staff.
Particularly in queues nowadays, that is far from the truth and so much time is spent by staff who themselves have limited grasp of English, trying to explain to those who may have one or two words of English and no idea of the way we do things in this country! When the blind lead the blind......

Ron.

[Terbs]

Going on from Ron's comments about English.....I felt really sorry for my mum, before she died, in trying to understand the care workers in her Nursing home. Don't get me wrong, they looked after mum well, but to be honest I had a job to understand them, and poor old mum did not have a clue what they were talking about !!!!

[ronnyd]

Going on from Ron's comments about English.....I felt really sorry for my mum, before she died, in trying to understand the care workers in her Nursing home. Don't get me wrong, they looked after mum well, but to be honest I had a job to understand them, and poor old mum did not have a clue what they were talking about !!!!

The trouble is Terbs that if we hadn't got these people to do these jobs we would have a hell of a shortfall of labour in the care/ nursing sector. Are we too affluent for our own good?

[aaronjb]

Are we too affluent for our own good?

No, but everything got too damn expensive for our own good.

How can they afford to live on those wages, then, you say? Well, if you're OK living 12 people to a 4-bed house, you too could live on minimum wage like the folks we've imported to do the jobs we no longer want to do..

[Terbs]

Going on from Ron's comments about English.....I felt really sorry for my mum, before she died, in trying to understand the care workers in her Nursing home. Don't get me wrong, they looked after mum well, but to be honest I had a job to understand them, and poor old mum did not have a clue what they were talking about !!!!

The trouble is Terbs that if we hadn't got these people to do these jobs we would have a hell of a shortfall of labour in the care/ nursing sector. Are we too affluent for our own good?

I agree wholeheartedly, ronny. I have no problem with the care....it was the communication side. At the end, they phoned me at home, and I felt so embarrased telling the woman, I could not understand her.
I don't know what the answer is.

[aaronjb]

I felt so embarrased telling the woman, I could not understand her.

You shouldn't.. I used to hear that all the time at work from customers (when I was first line support in a very multicultural support centre - lots of French, Spanish, German etc etc) and I guarantee you said it in a nicer, less demanding and less pissy way than those people used to! They feel very entitled when they're paying seven figures a year, I guess..

[Terbs]

Going back on track....I have no problem with proper controlled immigration, we do need people with certain skills for a lot of jobs.

How govenment can appear on telly, and go on about us needing 250 new houses a month sort of thing, and that is of now. Then in the next breath, they say we are getting 20000 Syrians on top of all the Europeans, Asians, Africans, etc, etc. Our infrastucture is in tatters now.
Its starting to kick off abroad, and  it won't be long before it happens here.

[Olympia5776]

Thank you for that great trip back down Memory Lane, Olympia; sad to say, I AM old enough to have been on Waterloo Station at around that time!
What contrasts most with today, looking at that film, is the fact that virtually every single person was English, or at least spoke the language, and understood the system, from those using the station to all of the staff.
Particularly in queues nowadays, that is far from the truth and so much time is spent by staff who themselves have limited grasp of English, trying to explain to those who may have one or two words of English and no idea of the way we do things in this country! When the blind lead the blind......

Ron.

I am too Ron and that little lost boy reminded me of a similar incident when I was that age in Glasgow....
I cant help but think of the millions of people who fought and died in two world wars to preserve that way of life and indeed many of the men featured in the film would have done so, and yet almost as that film was being released the pious ,pontificating politicians started to destroy and discard all that had been held high and worthy  by so many.
A monumental betrayal.
I come back home to the UK twice a year to visit family in London and Scotland and it desperately saddens me to see the steady, continual erosion of values that made Britain a great place ...............then.
Don

[Bigron]

Don, we are on the same page!
Why, oh why do people come here because they like what they see of our country and its values, and immediately seek to change it and undermine or festroy those values?
Back then, for us small children, every adult was a figure of respect and authority and would administer a corrective "clip round the ear" if he caught you misbehaving. Try that nowadays and you would find yourself in court!

Ron.

[raywilb]

I had a mate that once told me ( a builder ) that he had advertised in a local free ads for work, extensions, patios ect. " Only white british of a hetro-sexual genre need apply. it worked he got calls from all demanding he did their work. 

[STEMO]

I had a mate that once told me ( a builder ) that he had advertised in a local free ads for work, extensions, patios ect. " Only white british of a hetro-sexual genre need apply. it worked he got calls from all demanding he did their work. 

Must have been a while ago. He'd have been on the six o'clock news now.

[Varche]

On the six oclock news , they said that they cannot get enough skilled builders in London and companies are turning away work. How can that be?

As an aside, if the war in the Middle East ever finishes there will be some concrete and metal required to rebuild the place.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Just under 15 years ago builders were being ordered off the sites they were working on due to eastern Europeans walking on site and offering to do their jobs for half the money they were being paid. I personally know several builders who this happened to.
These people left the trade, and retrained to do other jobs. It makes them extremely happy to hear contractors crying and whinging about the problem of a skills shortage in the building trade.