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[STEMO]

An awful lot of people, inc. Nicola Sturgeon, are saying they are going to do this and that and the other. Have they actually checked the law governing these things? I very much doubt that half the things which have been proposed/threatened have any basis in law.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

An awful lot of people, inc. Nicola Sturgeon, are saying they are going to do this and that and the other. Have they actually checked the law governing these things? I very much doubt that half the things which have been proposed/threatened have any basis in law.

Apparently NS can walk on water.

According to her logic the 1.6 million 'remain' voters in Scotland have the power to make the 17.4million 'leave' voters in England and Wales also 'remain'.

She'll have trouble making that fly. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Mind you with a 62/38 remain bias north of Hadrian's wall I can see why the Scots are pissed*



* the definition of 'pissed' being angry or annoyed and not intoxicated with alcohol.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The Scots need to understand it was a referendum of the British nation, of which they are a relatively small number. They had their referendum on whether they wanted to remain in the UK and they voted to stay.
The EU referendum had already been announced and they knew the result of that could mean the UK leaving the EU but they still voted to stay in the UK.
Bed has been made, now lie down on it and shut up. 

[TD]

What I find amazing is how many of the 'remainers' have spat their dummies out....Cameron resigns because the vote didn't go his way
Case of, I'm off coz I carnt be bothered with the hard work now required! .Which makes me wonder if he really wanted to stay in just for an easy life! Protest marches in London, etc/etc.
Now, if the vote had gone the other way I carnt see the 'outers' MP's resigning, the 'outers' having protest marches......

Just my view on it................

[STEMO]

BREAKING NEWS: Nicola Crankie is talking shite. There is no mechanism for Holyrood to alter anything, no matter how pissed off they are. Well......they are in charge of bus timetables in Edinburgh, I suppose. They could alter those.

[Doctor Gollum]

Mind you with a 62/38 remain bias north of Hadrian's wall I can see why the Scots are pissed*



* the definition of 'pissed' being angry or annoyed whilst intoxicated with alcohol.

Fixed

[Varche]

What is incredibly damaging is self interest people like Nicola Sturgeon knee jerk reaction of crankying up a referendum. In fact the vested interests manipulating that Britain never leaves the Eu might just overcook things. For example getting Moodys to suggest a downrating of the economy. Remember that as of today NOTHING has actually happened. If or when Article 50 gets formally invoked then might be the time. In the meantime the exchange rate is shite, the economy is literally being talked down by trash talk.

What a mess. You have three parties that do not represent leave Britain. Conservatives with a deflated leader - in fact leaderless. Have we seen anything of Osborne talking up the economy as he should in difficult times. Err no Why? because of self interest. He wants and will probably be PM in four years time.. Labour with a wimp that sat on the fence and backed the wrong horse - he doesn't represent the disenfranchised who have been ignored for a generation  and Lib Dems- who?,  remember them?

There will be months of this endless pointless debate on TV and then we will have an election. Will the interests of the disenfranchised ( for that read none London ordinary working folk on as near as damn it minimum wage, no savings, fed up of long waits for GPs, pressure on housing etc etc) be represented ? I doubt it. Unless UKIP spot the opportunity. Potentially a half of voters available for them? Could be a UKIP Prime minister. Far fetched - about as far fetched as what has happened so far. What a mess of self interests over the interests of the country. Never have so many been so badly served by so few.

[STEMO]

That's not just Britain though, that's the whole world at the moment.

[Sir Tigger KC]

That's not just Britain though, that's the whole world at the moment.

That's true enough. The USA have Trump.  The Philippines have recently elected a new president that told everyone that he's just going to kill criminals!    No arrest, no trial, just bang, problem solved!   

How are the Spanish elections going Varche?  Any crackpots there? 

I'm hoping Boris does become PM as then there will be 'Boris Bikes' all over Britain!    Well... not Scotland obviously as they're off!   Somewhere....

[zirk]

The Scots need to understand it was a referendum of the British nation, of which they are a relatively small number. They had their referendum on whether they wanted to remain in the UK and they voted to stay.
The EU referendum had already been announced and they knew the result of that could mean the UK leaving the EU but they still voted to stay in the UK.
Bed has been made, now lie down on it and shut up. 

This is true, but on the other hand, if Scotland had voted to become Independent of the UK, it was made clear by the EU that Scotland 'as a Independent Country' would lose its right as an EU Member, and the 'New Scotland' would need to apply for EU Membership and be treated with the same rules as any other Country wishing to apply for Membership.

So whilst Im not suggesting this is the main reason Scotland voted to stay within the UK a few months back under there own Referendum, , kind of guessing, due last Fridays majority vote to stay in the EU makes a case of there possible frustration.   

[STEMO]

The Scots need to understand it was a referendum of the British nation, of which they are a relatively small number. They had their referendum on whether they wanted to remain in the UK and they voted to stay.
The EU referendum had already been announced and they knew the result of that could mean the UK leaving the EU but they still voted to stay in the UK.
Bed has been made, now lie down on it and shut up. 

This is true, but on the other hand, if Scotland had voted to become Independent of the UK, it was made clear by the EU that Scotland 'as a Independent Country' would lose its right as an EU Member, and the 'New Scotland' would need to apply for EU Membership and be treated with the same rules as any other Country wishing to apply for Membership.

So whilst Im not suggesting this is the main reason Scotland voted to stay within the UK a few months back under there own Referendum, , kind of guessing, due last Fridays majority vote to stay in the EU makes a case of there possible frustration.

As Varche has already said, self-interested, nothing else. What will the people of Scotland who voted leave do, just accept all of this?

[Varche]

Pp , the conservatives look set for a majority. Podemos ( we can , a new party similar to Syriza in Greece) look set for second. For the first time Labour look set for third!

[Entwood]

I'll stick my neck out and make a projection .....

1. As already stated, article 50 is NOT invoked by Mr Cameron, he will allow his replacement to do that.
2. Informal talks take place with EU at very high level
3. After new PM appointed EU (Merkel) offer substantially revised terms of membership to UK (probably with a  fudge on immigration/free movement)
4. New PM decides that the new terms might be acceptable to UK citizens and calls another referendum on that basis, without invoking article 50
5. UK votes to remain on the basis of the "better" terms.

Thus,

a) Mr Cameron's statement that he will not have a second referendum is still true .. it is not his call
b) UK stays part of EU which many want (including Merkel)
c) UK terms drastically (?) improved.
d) Leave campaigners whinge but lose
e) Sturgeon claims she can walk on water


 

[Diamond Black Geezer]

That sounds about right,.

I just want to be able to control who comes in, in what volumes, and fish our own fish. Then I'm happy 

All my other gripes are against the European Court of Human Rights - which isn't the EU, but a separate entity.