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[zirk]

How can I id a MFL car?

From about 5 pages back -

PFL, MFL, FL = PreFaceLift up to 97/98, MiniFaceLift 97/98 to 2000, Facelift 2000 to 2003

[anV6]

How can I id a MFL car?

From about 5 pages back -

PFL, MFL, FL = PreFaceLift up to 97/98, MiniFaceLift 97/98 to 2000, Facelift 2000 to 2003

Yes, I've seen it.

But this is not very precise. 97/98 is a big range. I was wondering if there is anything to look for in the cars which would identify a MFL. 

[Zirfeld]

Front side airbags, pyro belt tighter, ABS Bosch 5.3 ABS (5.3 TC for the sixpacs), front disc brake 296mm for the 4 zylinder models.

[anV6]

Front side airbags, pyro belt tighter, ABS Bosch 5.3 ABS (5.3 TC for the sixpacs), front disc brake 296mm for the 4 zylinder models.

Thanks.

By front side airbags, you only mean side airbags right? I think no Omega ever came with side airbags in the back seats.

Or by front side airbgs you mean passenger airbag? Because that the Omega B has had since the beginning.

The disc brake size might be difficult to check when buying a car. Same thing with the type of ABS?

Are the pyro tensioners easy to spot?

[Doctor Gollum]

Front side airbags, pyro belt tighter, ABS Bosch 5.3 ABS (5.3 TC for the sixpacs), front disc brake 296mm for the 4 zylinder models.

Thanks.

By front side airbags, you only mean side airbags right? I think no Omega ever came with side airbags in the back seats.

Or by front side airbgs you mean passenger airbag? Because that the Omega B has had since the beginning.

The disc brake size might be difficult to check when buying a car. Same thing with the type of ABS?

Are the pyro tensioners easy to spot?

Presume nothing. As I said earlier, not every earlier model had this as standard.

Buy a facelift car if you want maximum protection... better still, buy a newer car.

But it does seem we are going round in circles If you insist on having your cake and eating it, buy a 2003 Omega and cosmetically tweak it to suit...

[zirk]

The different front styles of the car is a bit of a give away between all three stages.

Or if your really stuck, Head Rests, PFL were hollow, MFL and FL are solid.

Please dont post up a discussion about swapping seats between the models.

[anV6]

Front side airbags, pyro belt tighter, ABS Bosch 5.3 ABS (5.3 TC for the sixpacs), front disc brake 296mm for the 4 zylinder models.

Thanks.

By front side airbags, you only mean side airbags right? I think no Omega ever came with side airbags in the back seats.

Or by front side airbgs you mean passenger airbag? Because that the Omega B has had since the beginning.

The disc brake size might be difficult to check when buying a car. Same thing with the type of ABS?

Are the pyro tensioners easy to spot?

Presume nothing. As I said earlier, not every earlier model had this as standard.

Buy a facelift car if you want maximum protection... better still, buy a newer car.

But it does seem we are going round in circles If you insist on having your cake and eating it, buy a 2003 Omega and cosmetically tweak it to suit...

I'm not presuming anything.

I got the information from a German Omega website. Driver and passenger airbags were standard in all Omega B models from the beginning.  Meaning B1 and B2. At least in Germany.

I don't think we are going in circles yet. We have not really addressed the safety features between the year models in depth. We have talked in depth about engines and external look.

[anV6]

The different front styles of the car is a bit of a give away between all three stages.

Or if your really stuck, Head Rests, PFL were hollow, MFL and FL are solid.

Please dont post up a discussion about swapping seats between the models.

Nah, I don't much care about the way the seat headrest look to be honest. Hollow or solid is fine.

But what does interest me is the differences in front styles between all three stages you mention. So far I thought there were only two front styles. PFL and FL. So what is the difference between the PFL and MFL fronts? Must be pretty subtle as so far I hadn't noticed it.

[Doctor Gollum]

We are going around in circles... if you seriously want the safest Omega B, buy a 2003 model and be happy with it.

If you want safer car, buy something new, which, coincidentally will also be faster and more economical 

[Doctor Gollum]

The different front styles of the car is a bit of a give away between all three stages.

Or if your really stuck, Head Rests, PFL were hollow, MFL and FL are solid.

Please dont post up a discussion about swapping seats between the models.

Nah, I don't much care about the way the seat headrest look to be honest. Hollow or solid is fine.

But what does interest me is the differences in front styles between all three stages you mention. So far I thought there were only two front styles. PFL and FL. So what is the difference between the PFL and MFL fronts? Must be pretty subtle as so far I hadn't noticed it.
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Pre facelift have mechanical pretensioners and no side airbags.
Mid facelift have pyrotechnic pretensioners and side airbags.
Facelift have different pyrotechnic pretensioners, side air bags and latterly, active headrests, which are a sprung loaded mechanism within the back rest.

[anV6]

The different front styles of the car is a bit of a give away between all three stages.

Or if your really stuck, Head Rests, PFL were hollow, MFL and FL are solid.

Please dont post up a discussion about swapping seats between the models.

Nah, I don't much care about the way the seat headrest look to be honest. Hollow or solid is fine.

But what does interest me is the differences in front styles between all three stages you mention. So far I thought there were only two front styles. PFL and FL. So what is the difference between the PFL and MFL fronts? Must be pretty subtle as so far I hadn't noticed it.
[/quote
Pre facelift have mechanical pretensioners and no side airbags.
Mid facelift have pyrotechnic pretensioners and side airbags.
Facelift have different pyrotechnic pretensioners, side air bags and latterly, active headrests, which are a sprung loaded mechanism within the back rest.

Yes, but what about the differences in the front styles between the three which Zirk mentions? I understood he meant difference in the front end, as in externally, and not differences in the front part of the cabin.(?)

[Doctor Gollum]

He was referring to the seats

[anV6]

We are going around in circles... if you seriously want the safest Omega B, buy a 2003 model and be happy with it.

If you want safer car, buy something new, which, coincidentally will also be faster and more economical 

I really don't think we are going around in circles. The safety part is a latest development. Just because we approached other factors which may have led to the mention of some safety features as a by product doesn't mean we discussed safety in depth.

If I indeed decide the 2003 model is the only one which will meet my safety needs, I will buy one. I already thought of it. Then I will just buy a manual 2.6 2003 model as I have to have a manual and they no longer made the 3.0 then and 3.2 was auto only.

But so far I don't know if the 2003 model is indeed the only one that meets that. This is what I'm trying to find out here and by reading anything I can online. So I can make an educated decision. But so far I'm not entirely clear about the safety differences between the years, let alone have enough information to proclaim the 2003 model is the only one which would do.

And if I wanted to buy a new car I wouldn't be in an Omega forum.

[anV6]

He was referring to the seats

Ok. He might have been. But when you read: "The different front styles of the car is a bit of a give away between all three stages." you can't say it's obvious he is talking about the seats. It reads more like he was talking about the front style. As in the front end style. Otherwise why not write seat style?

So he might have meant seats, but it's definitely not clear enough, specially to warrant an eyeroll.

[Doctor Gollum]

He quoted your post, which was about the seats...

Work out exactly what your requirements are, draw up a shortlist of cars which tick your boxes, look at them and buy the least rusty one... which will probably be the newest one. Doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

Anyways, I am done as you appear to be chasing a unicorn. Good luck in your quest, watch out for goblins and post up a picture of the unicorn when you find it

I'll wager that when you find it, it will be Star Silver...