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[JamesV6CDX]

It seems to me that you have in essence answered your own question.You've identified the model and spec you want and are prepared to wait at least a reasonable length of time to find it.Failing that buy the best bodied automatic you can find and swap gearboxes,even taking into account the other bits beside the gearbox itself I would think this to be the cheaper/easier option as opposed to going the engine swap route.I cannot speak from experience as I've never done this-I think the manual box on Omegas[and the Senators before them] is an awful device-but it's each to their own.

Yes, I'm prepared to wait. What I wanted to clear up is if I should really pass if I find an extra clean, extra low mileage, great priced V6 3.0 because it's an automatic. Or if it would be worth it going through a conversion from auto to manual. Because that would certainly considerably increase my options. But so far I've got conflicting accounts of how difficult the task is. Although reading some steps it seems it's probably not worth it. Unless it's in fantastic condition, all boxes tickled but transmission and being basically given away.

I've done the conversion on my driveway it's not hard at all

[anV6]

It seems to me that you have in essence answered your own question.You've identified the model and spec you want and are prepared to wait at least a reasonable length of time to find it.Failing that buy the best bodied automatic you can find and swap gearboxes,even taking into account the other bits beside the gearbox itself I would think this to be the cheaper/easier option as opposed to going the engine swap route.I cannot speak from experience as I've never done this-I think the manual box on Omegas[and the Senators before them] is an awful device-but it's each to their own.

Yes, I'm prepared to wait. What I wanted to clear up is if I should really pass if I find an extra clean, extra low mileage, great priced V6 3.0 because it's an automatic. Or if it would be worth it going through a conversion from auto to manual. Because that would certainly considerably increase my options. But so far I've got conflicting accounts of how difficult the task is. Although reading some steps it seems it's probably not worth it. Unless it's in fantastic condition, all boxes tickled but transmission and being basically given away.

I've done the conversion on my driveway it's not hard at all

When you talk like that it makes it seem really simple. 

How long did it take you?

[tigers_gonads]

If you fancy as day trip over here, have a word with Serek who did mine 

He is a good lad   

[Nick W]

If you fancy as day trip over here, have a word with Serek who did mine 

He is a good lad   

And if you do that, I've a 3.0l and manual gearbox for sale you could pick up on the way past.

[Bojan]

To sum up:

'Least complicated path to a MV6 3.0 Manual' would be to get a 3.0 manual (I'm quite sure that all 3,0 are MV6 spec in europe, BTW).
Failing that route, second least complicated would be - get a 3.0 auto. This applies if a mint and cheap 3.0 auto comes around - buy it. Then drive it for some time - who knows, you might even like driving auto. And if you don't like it after all, swap the box with manual one (it's easy job).

[anV6]

If you fancy as day trip over here, have a word with Serek who did mine 

He is a good lad   

Thanks for the nice offer. But it's a very long drive from central Europe to the UK. 

[anV6]

To sum up:

'Least complicated path to a MV6 3.0 Manual' would be to get a 3.0 manual (I'm quite sure that all 3,0 are MV6 spec in europe, BTW).
Failing that route, second least complicated would be - get a 3.0 auto. This applies if a mint and cheap 3.0 auto comes around - buy it. Then drive it for some time - who knows, you might even like driving auto. And if you don't like it after all, swap the box with manual one (it's easy job).

Naturally, buying a 3.0 manual is the least complicated path. The point is, if one doesn't find one, then what is the least complicated path.

All the conflicting reports of easy vs hard job for the gearbox conversion are driving me cross-eyed though. 

The 3.0 manual was also available in the Omega Sport by the way. Actually it seems most 3.0 manuals are Omega Sports from what I have seen for sale.

[Bojan]

Naturally, buying a 3.0 manual is the least complicated path. The point is, if one doesn't find one, then what is the least complicated path.

All the conflicting reports of easy vs hard job for the gearbox conversion are driving me cross-eyed though. 

The 3.0 manual was also available in the Omega Sport by the way. Actually it seems most 3.0 manuals are Omega Sports from what I have seen for sale.

Have you noticed that people that have actually done the conversion are saying it is not hard? It's easier to be done than it looks on paper - I'm talking from experience.
There is one more thing to consider - who will do the swap? You, or garage, or 'some guy you know'? How much will you pay for labor?

I.e. - it's a 300€ job here in croatia, if done by skilled mechanic who works in his back yard.

[anV6]

Naturally, buying a 3.0 manual is the least complicated path. The point is, if one doesn't find one, then what is the least complicated path.

All the conflicting reports of easy vs hard job for the gearbox conversion are driving me cross-eyed though. 

The 3.0 manual was also available in the Omega Sport by the way. Actually it seems most 3.0 manuals are Omega Sports from what I have seen for sale.

Have you noticed that people that have actually done the conversion are saying it is not hard? It's easier to be done than it looks on paper - I'm talking from experience.
There is one more thing to consider - who will do the swap? You, or garage, or 'some guy you know'? How much will you pay for labor?

I.e. - it's a 300€ job here in croatia, if done by skilled mechanic who works in his back yard.

You make a very good point. It does seem like all the people saying it's difficult have never done it.

Well, I have never done such a thing. But I would be willing to try if it's not difficult. I think around here it would not be cheap.

I know I'm probably asking too much. But could you write me a parts list and a rough step by step of what is needed to do it? It would help a lot to judge if it's something I want to entertain or not.

And of course, since we are putting a different gearbox in, it begs the question, could I put something better in, like a ZF or Getrag for example? Is this heard of or even worth it?

[Marks DTM Calib]

You mean like this:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90592.0

Can comfortably be done in a day, the worst bit is the gearbox removal and refit.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I have toyed with the idea of doing this to my 3.2. Might think about it again next summer.

[anV6]

You mean like this:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90592.0

Can comfortably be done in a day, the worst bit is the gearbox removal and refit.

Thanks. I will take a look at it.

[Doctor Gollum]

You mean like this:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90592.0

Can comfortably be done in a day, the worst bit is the gearbox removal and refit.

Seconded, especially on your back on the drive

Manual clutch change is summat like 23 bolts, five plugs and 3 spring clips.

Removing the engine is a further 2 nuts (and 4 bolts if you remove the bonnet), 3 Jubilee clips, approximately 14 plugs, 4 coolant hoses, one breather pipe, two fuel lines and the starting/charging loom.

All in all two days, including tea breaks...
If cabled throttle, add another bolt, a clip, two more plugs and a bit more air plumbing

[anV6]

You mean like this:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90592.0

Can comfortably be done in a day, the worst bit is the gearbox removal and refit.

I have now looked at the link. That is a lot of parts. I start to understand all the suggestions to get a donor car. The thing is finding a 3.0 manual donor car is probably as hard as finding a driving one. And if not going the donor car way, I wonder how hard it is to get all the parts separately.

[anV6]

You mean like this:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90592.0

Can comfortably be done in a day, the worst bit is the gearbox removal and refit.

Seconded, especially on your back on the drive

Manual clutch change is summat like 23 bolts, five plugs and 3 spring clips.

Removing the engine is a further 2 nuts (and 4 bolts if you remove the bonnet), 3 Jubilee clips, approximately 14 plugs, 4 coolant hoses, one breather pipe, two fuel lines and the starting/charging loom.

All in all two days, including tea breaks...
If cabled throttle, add another bolt, a clip, two more plugs and a bit more air plumbing

I'm not quite sure if you are now agreeing swapping the gearbox is not difficult after having said it was, or if you are still making the point for an engine swap instead.