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[New POD]

The problem with leaving Europe is that it creates a lot of uncertainty across Europe and the World, and a lot of change, at a time when the free world needs Certainty and Stability. 

I don't like change for no good reason. And the cost will be massive, before we get any benefit.  We might end up richer, we might end up poorer, we might end up starting world war four but nobody knows.  Plus we don't have anybody competent enough to lead us safely through the maze.

[Rods2]

He is right as when we trigger Article 50, we have 2 years to negotiate an exit deal that is acceptable to all of the other 27 EU countries. The only realistic route is a half way house EEA deal as this will not involve any EU treaty changes. Any other route means treaty changes which have to be unanimously agreed and ratified by all 27 EU countries. This is realistically impossible in two years at the end of which with no agreement both sides go back to the default WTO tariff rules.

This is soft #Brexit far from ideal as it means we have to stay and pay into the single market and accept freedom of movement and constraints on other trade deals. In parallel to the EEA agreement we need to also be negotiating either a bespoke trade agreement with the EU or an EFTA one, which will give us our full fat (hard #Brexit) result. 4 years is a realistic timescale for this. There is 40 years of EU embedded legislation in UK law which needs to be unravelled in sensible ways to minimise disruption to UK trade.

Although this is not ideal, where the exit process is drawn out, the advantage is that it minimises the risks and disruption to UK/EU bilateral trade. I did highlight this and put up a link to the document and video that explains all of this by Dr Richard North with his Flexit proposal, during the referendum campaign, so to me it is hardly new news. For the terminally impatient Hard #Brexit in one 2 year move is possible, but does carry risks to UK/EU trade.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Or, we leave asap, keep all EU law as a temporary measure and revoke the ones we want to revoke at our leisure.
Revert to WTO  rules and have tariffs all round of approx. 3% until we reach a trade deal with them. This deal should focus around how much they will pay us for access to our extremely valuable - to them - single market.   

[STEMO]

Sometimes you guys give the impression that you have an very small idea of what's going on now, and even suggest you have a remote inkling about what might happen in the future. Nah.
Not about brexit, not about Donald J, not about Syria. 
Still......a little conjecture never did any harm........so I'm told.

[Doctor Gollum]

Sometimes you guys give the impression that you have an very small idea of what's going on now, and even suggest you have a remote inkling about what might happen in the future. Nah.
Not about brexit, not about Donald J, not about Syria. 
Still......a little conjecture never did any harm........so I'm told.

A while back, I bet a former colleague the Trump would be the next President. Not known for his frivolity, concession or generosity, he suggest that if it happened, he would buy me lunch. Still waiting...

[Terbs]

The sooner the EU implodes, the better. Just another dictatorship done away with

[omega2018]

Slight change of topic, but these anti democratic shites who have gone through the courts make me unspeakably angry.
They wont even be honest about their agenda. They claim that they aren't trying to overturn the will of the people but force the govt to do things in a proper constitutional manner, and using the royal prerogative without prior consent of parliament flies in the face of that.
Well, I will believe them if they can answer this question.
Why didn't any of you do the same thing when in -
1972 Heath used it to sign the treaty for the UK to join the European Economic Community
1987 Thatcher used it to sign the single European act
1992 Major used it to sign the Maastricht treaty
1997 Blair used it to sign the Amsterdam treaty
2007 Brown used it to sign the Lisbon treaty (aka The EU Constitution)

hang on a minute. i think the uk parliament was involved in all of those. mr google says

"1972. The Treaty was signed by Edward Heath, the British Prime Minister, in Brussels on 22 January 1972. The European Communities Bill was then introduced in the House of Commons to give parliamentary assent to Britain's membership of the EEC. Although the bill itself consisted of only 12 clauses (accepting all previous EEC regulations, the Treaty of Rome, and the terms of entry), it was subject to some 300 hours of debate before becoming law."http://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/tradeindustry/importexport/overview/europe/

"Since the UK joined the European Economic Community (EEC) in 1973, there have been six major EU Treaty ratification procedures in the UK Parliament. These concerned the Single European Act and the Treaties of Maastricht, Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon, all of which amended the original Treaty of Rome to take account of institutional and constitutional changes, new policy developments and additional EU competences. There have been other Treaty amendments – concerning new accessions, for example – which are not considered here.

Although treaty ratification is strictly speaking a matter of Royal Prerogative, EC/EU Treaty amendments have always been brought into force by means of an Act of Parliament. The passage of the implementing legislation is not formally part of ratification and there is no reference to ratification in the bills, but legislation is necessary if ratification is to proceed smoothly. http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN03341

i voted brexit and am pleased i did but i sympathise with the court case - i think constitutionally they are right.    we need to do brexit properly, not illegally.  the problem is the pompous over-paid un-representative mps who think they know better than the referendum result.  not the law.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Acts of Parliament after the royal prerogative had been used. No prior permission from parliament.