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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #15 on: 20 March 2017, 13:42:12 »

I can acceptsome exit fees as reasonable e.g. Pension liabilities but they are a mere bagatelle compared with the UKs settlement. I am not talking about just having a share of tangible easily sold assets like the 21,000 bottles of fine wines and cognac in the Brussels cellars but making the EU countries sell some of their assets that just a few countries including the UK funded. Wont happen? I dont see why not, they are making Greece sell their family silver.

No afterreality sets in the figure will be a lot less than 60 billion. I would also question whether the shares / costs are gdp related or 1/28th. All in a nice way as we all needtotrade with each other after 2019. Druncker will be gone by then too.

On the same topic, i see the UK government is going to drown with 15 brexit bills over and above the normal 20 perannum. I hate toliken it to war but there are some similiarities. Get a grip and make stuff happen just like we did in war times. E.g. Make Parliament forego their recess..delegate some work  to Sturgeon for a start then she will be so busy and not have time tofoment.
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #16 on: 20 March 2017, 13:44:23 »

The problem is, the EU budget is only set every 7 years (I think) and then tweaked annually. So we have to pay for what we've committed to for a full budget term.
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #17 on: 20 March 2017, 13:44:46 »

I suppose we could tell the EU to *uck off and see what happens. :)
They said they won't even talk to us if we don't agree that some sort of settlement should be reached. They'll just ignore us and pretend we don't exist. They'll just put water on their maps where the UK used to be.  ;D

Then we just leave and tell them if they want to trade with us, let us know.*
There has been a lot of talk on both sides from various people about what the other side must do, but the real, actual negotiating will start soon. Its like prefight talk from boxers. Doesn't mean a thing.

*Probably defaulting to WTO rules, which despite all the recent negative publicity, is how we do much, or possibly most, of our trade already.
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #18 on: 20 March 2017, 13:46:11 »

Does it really matter, if them lot over there ignore us, we can get everything we need from the old commonwealth. Even cars. Oil n gas from Donald trumped, wheat from Canada, fruit n veg from Africa.

And if we don't pay what they going to do, start another war, they've lost 2,.

Doesn't look good for das Reich.
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #19 on: 20 March 2017, 13:47:11 »

I can acceptsome exit fees as reasonable e.g. Pension liabilities but they are a mere bagatelle compared with the UKs settlement. I am not talking about just having a share of tangible easily sold assets like the 21,000 bottles of fine wines and cognac in the Brussels cellars but making the EU countries sell some of their assets that just a few countries including the UK funded. Wont happen? I dont see why not, they are making Greece sell their family silver.

No afterreality sets in the figure will be a lot less than 60 billion. I would also question whether the shares / costs are gdp related or 1/28th. All in a nice way as we all needtotrade with each other after 2019. Druncker will be gone by then too.

On the same topic, i see the UK government is going to drown with 15 brexit bills over and above the normal 20 perannum. I hate toliken it to war but there are some similiarities. Get a grip and make stuff happen just like we did in war times. E.g. Make Parliament forego their recess..delegate some work  to Sturgeon for a start then she will be so busy and not have time tofoment.
Has this Druncker fella been using your keyboard?
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #20 on: 20 March 2017, 14:07:49 »

I can acceptsome exit fees as reasonable e.g. Pension liabilities but they are a mere bagatelle compared with the UKs settlement. I am not talking about just having a share of tangible easily sold assets like the 21,000 bottles of fine wines and cognac in the Brussels cellars but making the EU countries sell some of their assets that just a few countries including the UK funded. Wont happen? I dont see why not, they are making Greece sell their family silver.

No afterreality sets in the figure will be a lot less than 60 billion. I would also question whether the shares / costs are gdp related or 1/28th. All in a nice way as we all needtotrade with each other after 2019. Druncker will be gone by then too.

On the same topic, i see the UK government is going to drown with 15 brexit bills over and above the normal 20 perannum. I hate toliken it to war but there are some similiarities. Get a grip and make stuff happen just like we did in war times. E.g. Make Parliament forego their recess..delegate some work  to Sturgeon for a start then she will be so busy and not have time tofoment.
Has this Druncker fella been using your keyboard?

Normally yes but on this occasion it was deliberate.  ;D
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #21 on: 20 March 2017, 14:32:30 »

According to John Redwood MP there are no treaty obligations for ANY exit fees and we should politely tell the EU commission where to stick them. Hopefully, where the sun don't shine. ;D ;D ;D

The worst case scenario when we leave is no agreement and having to trade under WTO rules. These tariffs are generally in the order of 3.5 to 5% with the exception of agricultural produce which can be up to 40% and cars which are 9%.

Now these tariffs apply for imports and exports and we have a massive trade deficit with the EU in food and cars where we import much more than we export, so our taxes will get a boost as a result and EU goods will become more expensive. As the trade balance is in the EU's favour we can use the revenue we collect on their imports to subsidise our exports to the EU so our prices in Europe don't go up and pocket the difference. :) :) ;D ;D This disadvantage is that our food goes up in price, except it won't if we conclude trade deals with food exporting countries like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, US, South America and Africa where our food prices from these countries are currently at EU support CAP and inefficient French farmers tariff rates of up to 40%, which will post-EU be set at whatever rate we agree in our bilateral trade agreements with these countries. So in reality expect our food prices to fall by at least 15% from their current ones. :y :y :y I'm sure French farmers will quietly take it on the chin as they build up huge food mountains where they have never been known to protest or riot to protect their vested interests. ::) ::) ::)

The reality is the EU commission will work as hard as possible to punish us for leaving as they can't lose their appointed jobs via the ballot box, the inverse applies to democratically elected governments in the member countries which is why several governments are behind the scenes already working on their negotiating postions for trade agreements with the UK, especially the Germans where we are their third biggest export market. When it comes to EU economics, Germany has since 2008 ALWAYS been in the driving seat and have forced through what they want. Bloody mindlessness, rising unemployment and being in a recession for at best in most of the EU marginally growing economies, due largely to the EU and Euro policies puts Europe in the weaker position. Having to face the ballot box under these conditions means imo the the EU countries governments will be pragmatic and will win this battle against the EU commission. :y :y :y

Junker will have to console himself by drinking the new EU wine lake dry, where we are buying our wine from the rest of the new world. ;D ;D ;D

We are actually in the much stronger negotiating position, with much due imo to the EU bias against the UK in their single market in goods but only in a very limited way in our strength of services, so we have progressively had a worsening trade balance with them. Leaving the EU means this changes to being a negotiating strength. :y :y :y

Another potential boost with leaving the EU is that we can dump their crazy, industrially suicidal, when competing with most of the rest of the world, by dumping their tree hugger, plant food centric energy policies, so our industries have much cheaper energy prices. Like the US this will onshore much heavy industry we have lost due to our uneconomic energy cost compared to much of the globe. :y :y :y
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #22 on: 20 March 2017, 14:58:39 »

Doesn't really matter whether we pay all, some or none of it, we gonna get screwed over anyway over the exit process.

Not exactly going make it easy for us to leave, in case it starts a trend.
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #23 on: 20 March 2017, 15:10:39 »

Trend?

Theresa May could create a trading block and call it the common European market as part of the negotiations.whizzo idea.

Incidentally the Spanish have been courting the Germans to come to Spainon holiday to make up the predicted shortfall in UK visitors to Spain. The notion is that with the pound lower less Brits can afford a holiday.
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #24 on: 20 March 2017, 15:12:28 »

Doesn't really matter whether we pay all, some or none of it, we gonna get screwed over anyway over the exit process.

Not exactly going make it easy for us to leave, in case it starts a trend.

How do you think they screw us, without shooting themselves in both feet?
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #25 on: 20 March 2017, 15:25:21 »

Doesn't really matter whether we pay all, some or none of it, we gonna get screwed over anyway over the exit process.

Not exactly going make it easy for us to leave, in case it starts a trend.

How do you think they screw us, without shooting themselves in both feet?
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #26 on: 20 March 2017, 16:07:56 »

Doesn't really matter whether we pay all, some or none of it, we gonna get screwed over anyway over the exit process.

Not exactly going make it easy for us to leave, in case it starts a trend.

How do you think they screw us, without shooting themselves in both feet?

I understand the argument that Germany (cars), France (wine) etc need us as an export market. But article 50 terms have to be agreed by every member state. Including the likes of Poland and Romania who have very little to export but a lot of interest in what happens to the rights of their citizens to work here.

So just because the Germans may want a good trading deal with us, surely that doesn't mean article 50 will produce one.
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #27 on: 20 March 2017, 16:35:00 »

Doesn't really matter whether we pay all, some or none of it, we gonna get screwed over anyway over the exit process.

Not exactly going make it easy for us to leave, in case it starts a trend.

How do you think they screw us, without shooting themselves in both feet?

I understand the argument that Germany (cars), France (wine) etc need us as an export market. But article 50 terms have to be agreed by every member state. Including the likes of Poland and Romania who have very little to export but a lot of interest in what happens to the rights of their citizens to work here.

So just because the Germans may want a good trading deal with us, surely that doesn't mean article 50 will produce one.


I think the "they sell more to us than we sell to them" argument is overplayed. As Jimmy says we have to find common ground with 27 other countries.

There will be tears before bedtime as my grandmother used to say. But we are Great Britain and will succeed in the end. :y
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #28 on: 20 March 2017, 16:35:49 »

Doesn't really matter whether we pay all, some or none of it, we gonna get screwed over anyway over the exit process.

Not exactly going make it easy for us to leave, in case it starts a trend.

How do you think they screw us, without shooting themselves in both feet?

I understand the argument that Germany (cars), France (wine) etc need us as an export market. But article 50 terms have to be agreed by every member state. Including the likes of Poland and Romania who have very little to export but a lot of interest in what happens to the rights of their citizens to work here.

So just because the Germans may want a good trading deal with us, surely that doesn't mean article 50 will produce one.

Some UK manufacturing has moved to Poland, despite Kraft takeover assurances on Cadbury's chocolates production, they have been moved from Birmingham to Poland. >:(
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Re: About these brexit exit fees?
« Reply #29 on: 20 March 2017, 16:46:58 »

Doesn't really matter whether we pay all, some or none of it, we gonna get screwed over anyway over the exit process.

Not exactly going make it easy for us to leave, in case it starts a trend.

How do you think they screw us, without shooting themselves in both feet?

I understand the argument that Germany (cars), France (wine) etc need us as an export market. But article 50 terms have to be agreed by every member state. Including the likes of Poland and Romania who have very little to export but a lot of interest in what happens to the rights of their citizens to work here.

So just because the Germans may want a good trading deal with us, surely that doesn't mean article 50 will produce one.


I think the "they sell more to us than we sell to them" argument is overplayed. As Jimmy says we have to find common ground with 27 other countries.

There will be tears before bedtime as my grandmother used to say. But we are Great Britain and will succeed in the end. :y

I disagree. The areas that most concern me are where we have to recreate new system where we have passed the administration to the EU or where we are part of the Customs Union so they have no longer been needed. The obvious one is much bigger customs facilities at our Eastern ports, but also a whole raft of other systems, for example we passed our certification of aircraft parts to an EU institution and as one of the globes biggest aircraft parts suppliers we will need the UK equivalent or this supply chain will grind to a halt. :o
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