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[STEMO]

Just watched this, very interesting. Have a look if you get time.

[Viral_Jim]

Yes. Caught the second half, will catch up the rest. Thought that British firm should pack up n go home.

Trying to solve full AI and the couldn't even stop the thing crashing itself into a barrier.

There is a longer video of the autonomous Leaf on YouTube on the Fully Charged channel. That is a really impressive piece of kit (despite the disparaging remarks on the horizon vid). It can recognise cars, pedestrians, cyclists, road signs etc. Seriously impressive.

Will have a root around for the vid

[Viral_Jim]

For anyone that's interested:

Nissan Leaf vid
https://youtu.be/cfRqNAhAe6c

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

For anyone that's interested:

Nissan Leaf vid
https://youtu.be/cfRqNAhAe6c

That is quite impressive but then Kryton is plugged into the ECU.

[aaronjb]

Technologically I find that incredibly impressive - 12 cameras, four LIDAR arrays, probably more processing power than the average PC 10 years ago.

As someone who enjoys driving I find it frightening.. you'll tear my steering wheel out of my cold, dead hands (hopefully that isn't a prophecy!)

Still.. one good hacker and it'll all unravel

[LC0112G]

Technologically I find that incredibly impressive - 12 cameras, four LIDAR arrays, probably more processing power than the average PC 10 years ago.

As someone who enjoys driving I find it frightening.. you'll tear my steering wheel out of my cold, dead hands (hopefully that isn't a prophecy!)

Still.. one good hacker and it'll all unravel

And therein lies the problem. Many of us enjoy driving - some of the time at least. Human drivers will quickly learn that you can take liberties with/against driverless cars which will have to be programmed to avoid accidents at virtually all costs. So I can 'barge' self driving cars out of 'my' way.

You also have the following two issues.

1) Who is responsible (aka going to pay) when there is an accident? And it is when, not if. And who is responsible for driving offences?

2) Self driving down a single track road, and an out of control lorry comes hurtling towards 'you'.  On the left is a bus stop with 50 kids waiting for the bus to school. On the right is an old persons home with 50 OAP's in the front garden. What does the car do? Answer is it'll have to plough headlong into the approaching lorry, probably killing you and perhaps the lorry driver, rather than mowing down 50 OAP's or 50 school kids.  Now whilst I accept that's the selfless solution, how many people will buy a car knowing that the decision isn't theirs to make - it's hard coded into the software.

Despite Google, Tesla, Ford et al championing it, it'll never work - at least not in my lifetime. If you can't get people to agree on a driverless trains or planes which operate in a much more controlled environment, you've got naff-all chance of it working on the roads. The only way it can work is to segregate the roads into driverless/human, or ban human drivers all together.

[Varche]

Technologically I find that incredibly impressive - 12 cameras, four LIDAR arrays, probably more processing power than the average PC 10 years ago.

As someone who enjoys driving I find it frightening.. you'll tear my steering wheel out of my cold, dead hands (hopefully that isn't a prophecy!)

Still.. one good hacker and it'll all unravel

I think you will find us in the minority along with Kevin W of course. Most people will be only too pleased to not have the chore of driving leaving them free to do useful(to them) stuff like surfing the web, texting or angry birds.

I agree there are logistical and legal challenges but they will be sorted.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Driverless cars will certainly benefit women.

They can simply sit there and apply their 'lippy'........nothing for them to worry their pretty little heads about.

[Olympia5776]

I watched it and still cannot understand where the demand for the concept is coming from.
And  regards insurance who is actually the person responsible in the event of an incident or accident .... If I'm not driving or in control of the vehicle I'm a passenger . I noticed that it was stated that the person being transported should be able to take control imediately in the event of a system failure, so that's one step beyond cruise control then.
People who will buy into the concept will want it to be similar to a chaufered car where they can be free to do everything that they cannot do whilst actually driving , not so.
Pointless.

[Kevin Wood]

I watched it and still cannot understand where the demand for the concept is coming from.
And  regards insurance who is actually the person responsible in the event of an incident or accident .... If I'm not driving or in control of the vehicle I'm a passenger . I noticed that it was stated that the person being transported should be able to take control imediately in the event of a system failure, so that's one step beyond cruise control then.
People who will buy into the concept will want it to be similar to a chaufered car where they can be free to do everything that they cannot do whilst actually driving , not so.
Pointless.

Only advantage I can see if it it could take you back from the pub when you're bladdered. Not much use for that if you've got to be able to take control.

I'm sure that if they could eventually take over from lorry drivers (and they could engineer them not to try to overtake each other at 58.00125 MPH versus 57.999998 MPH on every dual carriageway) there might be benefits. Ditto if they could increase speeds on motorways whilst also closing inter-vehicle distances.

However, we still have drivers in trains (except the DLR) and pilots in aircraft. Apart from the odd retard who jumps the level crossings or busts restricted airspace those are completely known, controlled environments. And driverless is going to happen on streets where there are hazards coming at you from all directions? 

[STEMO]

I watched it and still cannot understand where the demand for the concept is coming from.
And  regards insurance who is actually the person responsible in the event of an incident or accident .... If I'm not driving or in control of the vehicle I'm a passenger . I noticed that it was stated that the person being transported should be able to take control imediately in the event of a system failure, so that's one step beyond cruise control then.
People who will buy into the concept will want it to be similar to a chaufered car where they can be free to do everything that they cannot do whilst actually driving , not so.
Pointless.

Only advantage I can see if it it could take you back from the pub when you're bladdered. Not much use for that if you've got to be able to take control.

I'm sure that if they could eventually take over from lorry drivers (and they could engineer them not to try to overtake each other at 58.00125 MPH versus 57.999998 MPH on every dual carriageway) there might be benefits. Ditto if they could increase speeds on motorways whilst also closing inter-vehicle distances.

However, we still have drivers in trains (except the DLR) and pilots in aircraft. Apart from the odd retard who jumps the level crossings or busts restricted airspace those are completely known, controlled environments. And driverless is going to happen on streets where there are hazards coming at you from all directions? 

You've jokingly stumbled on a very valid point there, Kevin. Would you be allowed to travel in one of these gizmos if you were incapacitated through drink or drugs? I guess the answer has to be no because, even if it was fully automated, there must be some way the driver/passenger could interfere with its operation.
You would have to at least be able to reprogram the destination or other parameters.
Hmmm...that's another headache on top of the triple headache I already had.

[Kevin Wood]

You've jokingly stumbled on a very valid point there, Kevin. Would you be allowed to travel in one of these gizmos if you were incapacitated through drink or drugs? I guess the answer has to be no because, even if it was fully automated, there must be some way the driver/passenger could interfere with its operation.
You would have to at least be able to reprogram the destination or other parameters.
Hmmm...that's another headache on top of the triple headache I already had.

I suppose you could program the return journey in before you fall off your bar stool. If they crack that it could make the taxi driver a thing of the past which... Well, it'd be a tragedy, of course.

 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

You've jokingly stumbled on a very valid point there, Kevin. Would you be allowed to travel in one of these gizmos if you were incapacitated through drink or drugs? I guess the answer has to be no because, even if it was fully automated, there must be some way the driver/passenger could interfere with its operation.
You would have to at least be able to reprogram the destination or other parameters.
Hmmm...that's another headache on top of the triple headache I already had.

I suppose you could program the return journey in before you fall off your bar stool. If they crack that it could make the taxi driver a thing of the past which... Well, it'd be a tragedy, of course.




 

Something like the 'Johnny cab' from Total Recall perhaps?

[Kevin Wood]

I could imagine it having a similar outcome for me as the punter too. 

[TD]

You've jokingly stumbled on a very valid point there, Kevin. Would you be allowed to travel in one of these gizmos if you were incapacitated through drink or drugs? I guess the answer has to be no because, even if it was fully automated, there must be some way the driver/passenger could interfere with its operation.
You would have to at least be able to reprogram the destination or other parameters.
Hmmm...that's another headache on top of the triple headache I already had.

I suppose you could program the return journey in before you fall off your bar stool. If they crack that it could make the taxi driver a thing of the past which... Well, it'd be a tragedy, of course.

 

And when you barf in the cab on the way home theres no driver to notice, so you escape the £75 charge, but the next customer wouldn't be impressed