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[GinoGinelli]

Put it this way, I doubt Ladbrokes would offer you good returns on pikeys having nicked the statues! They are the undisputed favourites, the Tiger Woods or Rafael Nadal of the metal thieving world.

[FRE07962128]

rather pikies

Yes, the people who did this, and other such acts like stealing from charities are scum, and will one day have to account for their appalling actions.

However, how do you know it was "pikies" HE?   I think that is far too strong without evidence; why don't you blame the blacks, or the Irish, or even better the Jews?!   It is very easy to sling mud with stupid offensive talk, and could prove more damaging and sinful than the original crime itself!

If you have such thoughts, keep them to yourself please HE!

Too be fair Lizzie travelers or pikeys as some of us refer too them are much more likely too steal than the average man in the street.

Ive lived amongst them and trust me i have first hand knowledge of major drug dealing...numerous thefts from houses,cars and people...travelers forcing people too steal on there behalf and beating the person up if they refused.

They have zero respect for the likes of us ""Gorgers"" and zero respect for law as they live there life too there own rules....not society's.

Ive also had Gypsy as friends....totally different attitude too travelers/pikeys and they (gypsies ive met so far) despise pikeys as much as we (normal society) does.

Also as someone who is married too a coloured person i find your comparison regards colour incredibly offensive.

The point I was making Stuart is that there is no evidence that they were reponsible in this case!

In addition, if you read it again, my comment on blacks, in line with Irish and Jews was made to the make the point that it is all too easy to blame any other race, crede or colour that is opposite to you when a crime is committed.  This was an everyday occurrance in this country in the intolerant days of my childhood and is exactly the type of comment made by Hereford Elite!!!  In other words if you are stupid and racist enough to blame "pikies" then why not blame all other "minority" groups!

If you have no evidence you cannot start accussing individuals no matter  who they are!!!!

I too have black friends, and they also still in 2008 can be picked on just as HE was picking on "pickies".  This I find highly offensive!!!!  

I hope that answers your confusion Stuart.

Yes lizzie i understand where your coming from...

But and its a big but....i don't feel HE should be bashed for using the term pikey....as previously said these people tend too live beyond the law,so people who are of a poor character are often referred too as ""pikeys"" so its possible this is what HE meant.

Oh and id hardly call travelers a minority....especially when the dirty filthy robbing gits move there wagons in on land thats not theres.....seems an endless amount of them.

Yes and I really do understand where you are coming from about "pikies" Stuart!

However, it cannot be right to openly accuse them, or anyone else, without evidence, no matter what their track record maybe (yes, I know it is not good).   It could have been any filthy criminal who undertook these thefts.

Well yes you have a point...its just depends on how much we read into it.

Like i said its possible HE simply meant pikey aka naughty robber type person as i think the majority would agree that pikeys are filthy robbing types...

Yes Stuart, I can see the point and perhaps I over-reacted to Hereford Elite's original statement as I cannot stand mud slinging without evidence!

Sorry Hereford Elite, you made a valid point!!

[Ken T]

People who do this and cause other damage to memorials, are beneath contempt, and should be treated as such. They need re-education before being allowed to live freely in this country. Whether this is done via a psychiatrist or being shot is immaterial.

Couldn't a lot of these crimes be stopped by cutting the demand ?. E.G., a recent prog how lots of expensive cars get nicked and shipped over to africa etc. How about once the car has been traced, forcing the new owner to drive it for a week with the words " I bought a stolen car" painted on all sides. That won't look to good in the executive car park.

And as regards stolen metal, make it law that all metal reprocessing plants have to fully video everybody coming in and out, what they are dumping is examined, and no cash payments, dosh must go into someone's traceable bank account. If you also use the carrot/stick so that any scrap yard who catches a thief gets a reward, but if he gets caught handling stolen stuff, he looses his license to trade. That makes it not worth while nicking stuff because the demand is reduced.

A bit questionable is the idea of doctoring coccain at source with some chemical that makes you very sick for several days. Once the word got out, addicts would be very wary of buying stuff, and if the word got out that people who bought from dealer X were getting sick, his business would die pretty quickly.

Something has to be done to change people's attitudes to others.

Ken

[Elite Pete]

Scum bags, if they catch them, they should be sent over to Iraq

[stuart30]

People who do this and cause other damage to memorials, are beneath contempt, and should be treated as such. They need re-education before being allowed to live freely in this country. Whether this is done via a psychiatrist or being shot is immaterial.

Couldn't a lot of these crimes be stopped by cutting the demand ?. E.G., a recent prog how lots of expensive cars get nicked and shipped over to africa etc. How about once the car has been traced, forcing the new owner to drive it for a week with the words " I bought a stolen car" painted on all sides. That won't look to good in the executive car park.

And as regards stolen metal, make it law that all metal reprocessing plants have to fully video everybody coming in and out, what they are dumping is examined, and no cash payments, dosh must go into someone's traceable bank account. If you also use the carrot/stick so that any scrap yard who catches a thief gets a reward, but if he gets caught handling stolen stuff, he looses his license to trade. That makes it not worth while nicking stuff because the demand is reduced.

A bit questionable is the idea of doctoring coccain at source with some chemical that makes you very sick for several days. Once the word got out, addicts would be very wary of buying stuff, and if the word got out that people who bought from dealer X were getting sick, his business would die pretty quickly.

Something has to be done to change people's attitudes to others.

Ken

Im sorry too say Ken that we as a country are just too soft...we have no stomach to punish criminals in a way that would discourage others from committing crimes.

Just like petrol prices or * women being allowed the vote sadly things will not change for the better until such time a government is elected who has the balls too stand up for its self and that will never happen whilst this country is run in a namby pamby liberal way.

* Women being soft and fluffy and couldn't vote in a hard line party.

[FRE07962128]

People who do this and cause other damage to memorials, are beneath contempt, and should be treated as such. They need re-education before being allowed to live freely in this country. Whether this is done via a psychiatrist or being shot is immaterial.

Couldn't a lot of these crimes be stopped by cutting the demand ?. E.G., a recent prog how lots of expensive cars get nicked and shipped over to africa etc. How about once the car has been traced, forcing the new owner to drive it for a week with the words " I bought a stolen car" painted on all sides. That won't look to good in the executive car park.

And as regards stolen metal, make it law that all metal reprocessing plants have to fully video everybody coming in and out, what they are dumping is examined, and no cash payments, dosh must go into someone's traceable bank account. If you also use the carrot/stick so that any scrap yard who catches a thief gets a reward, but if he gets caught handling stolen stuff, he looses his license to trade. That makes it not worth while nicking stuff because the demand is reduced.

A bit questionable is the idea of doctoring coccain at source with some chemical that makes you very sick for several days. Once the word got out, addicts would be very wary of buying stuff, and if the word got out that people who bought from dealer X were getting sick, his business would die pretty quickly.

Something has to be done to change people's attitudes to others.

Ken

Im sorry too say Ken that we as a country are just too soft...we have no stomach to punish criminals in a way that would discourage others from committing crimes.

Just like petrol prices or * women being allowed the vote sadly things will not change for the better until such time a government is elected who has the balls too stand up for its self and that will never happen whilst this country is run in a namby pamby liberal way.

* Women being soft and fluffy and couldn't vote in a hard line party.

Now now Stuart, are you trying to wind us women up?!!!!!

I'll just say that women can be much harder than men in politics!!  You'll see when I get there!

[stuart30]

People who do this and cause other damage to memorials, are beneath contempt, and should be treated as such. They need re-education before being allowed to live freely in this country. Whether this is done via a psychiatrist or being shot is immaterial.

Couldn't a lot of these crimes be stopped by cutting the demand ?. E.G., a recent prog how lots of expensive cars get nicked and shipped over to africa etc. How about once the car has been traced, forcing the new owner to drive it for a week with the words " I bought a stolen car" painted on all sides. That won't look to good in the executive car park.

And as regards stolen metal, make it law that all metal reprocessing plants have to fully video everybody coming in and out, what they are dumping is examined, and no cash payments, dosh must go into someone's traceable bank account. If you also use the carrot/stick so that any scrap yard who catches a thief gets a reward, but if he gets caught handling stolen stuff, he looses his license to trade. That makes it not worth while nicking stuff because the demand is reduced.

A bit questionable is the idea of doctoring coccain at source with some chemical that makes you very sick for several days. Once the word got out, addicts would be very wary of buying stuff, and if the word got out that people who bought from dealer X were getting sick, his business would die pretty quickly.

Something has to be done to change people's attitudes to others.

Ken

Im sorry too say Ken that we as a country are just too soft...we have no stomach to punish criminals in a way that would discourage others from committing crimes.

Just like petrol prices or * women being allowed the vote sadly things will not change for the better until such time a government is elected who has the balls too stand up for its self and that will never happen whilst this country is run in a namby pamby liberal way.

* Women being soft and fluffy and couldn't vote in a hard line party.

Now now Stuart, are you trying to wind us women up?!!!!!

I'll just say that women can be much harder than men in politics!!  You'll see when I get there!

No Lizzie id not dream of winding the ladies up...its just despite being only 34 im an old fashioned chauvinistic pig and feel women she be home makers bare foot and pregnant.

Joking aside id be over the moon too see either men/women who took a hard line in politics....too many are more concerned about milking the cash cow than actually doing any good.

Not suggesting BMP hardness although i do agree with some of there policies but a party who were capable of taking this country in hand and sort it out once and for all.

[Martin_1962]

They are not taught British history or taught to respect the sacrifices it involved in school these days, our new establishment is ashamed of Britishness and its heritage. Maybe these are the fruits of their "labours".

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Not PC too be taught about being British...now we are officially a multicultural society.

This I will mention - a lot of people from the Indian sub continent died in the second world war - fighting for the Allies

[Martin_1962]

People who do this and cause other damage to memorials, are beneath contempt, and should be treated as such. They need re-education before being allowed to live freely in this country. Whether this is done via a psychiatrist or being shot is immaterial.

Couldn't a lot of these crimes be stopped by cutting the demand ?. E.G., a recent prog how lots of expensive cars get nicked and shipped over to africa etc. How about once the car has been traced, forcing the new owner to drive it for a week with the words " I bought a stolen car" painted on all sides. That won't look to good in the executive car park.

And as regards stolen metal, make it law that all metal reprocessing plants have to fully video everybody coming in and out, what they are dumping is examined, and no cash payments, dosh must go into someone's traceable bank account. If you also use the carrot/stick so that any scrap yard who catches a thief gets a reward, but if he gets caught handling stolen stuff, he looses his license to trade. That makes it not worth while nicking stuff because the demand is reduced.

A bit questionable is the idea of doctoring coccain at source with some chemical that makes you very sick for several days. Once the word got out, addicts would be very wary of buying stuff, and if the word got out that people who bought from dealer X were getting sick, his business would die pretty quickly.

Something has to be done to change people's attitudes to others.

Ken

Im sorry too say Ken that we as a country are just too soft...we have no stomach to punish criminals in a way that would discourage others from committing crimes.

Just like petrol prices or * women being allowed the vote sadly things will not change for the better until such time a government is elected who has the balls too stand up for its self and that will never happen whilst this country is run in a namby pamby liberal way.

* Women being soft and fluffy and couldn't vote in a hard line party.

Now now Stuart, are you trying to wind us women up?!!!!!

I'll just say that women can be much harder than men in politics!!  You'll see when I get there!

Do you mean the well known PM