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[Viral_Jim]

Its looking more and more like this self build is going to come off and I'll need something that is 4wd and can tow a good amount. Budget of around £2-3k max and I don't want to be lying under it every verse end - I'll be busy enough thanks! 

So far, the pick of the pack is the terracan, followed closely by the shogun. I'd prefer 2 pedals over 3 in any event.

I seem to remember someone on here had one. Tilbo maybe? Wondered how they are to own and tow with.

TIA 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Its looking more and more like this self build is going to come off and I'll need something that is 4wd and can tow a good amount. Budget of around £2-3k max and I don't want to be lying under it every verse end - I'll be busy enough thanks! 

So far, the pick of the pack is the terracan, followed closely by the shogun. I'd prefer 2 pedals over 3 in any event.

I seem to remember someone on here had one. Tilbo maybe? Wondered how they are to own and tow with.

TIA 

I believe you are correct.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Budget of around £2-3k max and I don't want to be lying under it every verse end - I'll be busy enough thanks! 

This rules out anything with a Land Rover badge then! 

[Viral_Jim]

Cool, if he doesn't spot the thread I'll PM him. Looking on the internet it seems a remarkably trouble free vehicle.

It's only issue seems to be that it's catastrophically ugly. Which is fine.

This rules out anything with a Land Rover badge then! 

Precisely! There are a plethora of 4.0v8 discos in budget. And on some of them it even takes two glances to spot the rust. 

I've watched my father suffer through over a decade of RR P38 ownership - it'll be a long time (if ever) before I buy a JLR product again!

[TheBoy]

it'll be a long time (if ever) before I buy a JLR product again!

The post BMW ones are an awful lot better...  ...Ford did a half decent job of sorting stuff out, and the Indians have finished it off.

[Doctor Gollum]

Mercedes ML will tow 3.5t, license permitting...

Cheap enough to be disposable 

Mitsubishi and Hyundai both reliable, but any significant repairs will cost £££ Some of our older Shotguns, '57/8 have done nearly 300k miles, but still fetch well north of £3k at auction

[TheBoy]

Newer Hyundai always top the JD Power reliability surveys. Not sure if it is because they really are that reliable, or if the reliability outstrips peoples expectations of a semi-budget marque.

Older Hyundai cars though, hmmm. Even worse with the 4 wheel drive variants early on.  Not helped by the serviceability being an afterthought on some of their early attempts, such as having to cut the carpet on early Santa Fe's to change the fuel filter.

[Viral_Jim]

That's the same reason I ruled out land cruisers. They can be old and ropey as you like, but you're not getting one for less than £3k and some of the older ones seem woefully underpowered (140-150bhp, 165 ft lbs).

Not considered an ML, thought they were a) more expensive and b) didn't tow that much. Cheers

[Sir Tigger KC]

This rules out anything with a Land Rover badge then! 

Precisely! There are a plethora of 4.0v8 discos in budget. And on some of them it even takes two glances to spot the rust. 

I've watched my father suffer through over a decade of RR P38 ownership - it'll be a long time (if ever) before I buy a JLR product again!

Well joking apart, a Disco 2 TD5 would be ideal if you can find a decent one. 

There are loads about, spares are cheap and readily available, good for towing, cavernous van like interior with the back seats down, there are plenty of Land Rover specialists about and there is good forum support. 

Plus these are becoming sought after and are commanding good prices!  If you looked after it, you'd sell it easily and get a good price as well! 

Not only would it be higher up the Cool Wall than anything else in that budget, you'd learn to love it with all that crawling around under it! 

In Budget 

Not In Budget   

[Viral_Jim]

Well joking apart, a Disco 2 TD5 would be ideal if you can find a decent one. 

There are loads about, spares are cheap and readily available, good for towing, cavernous van like interior with the back seats down, there are plenty of Land Rover specialists about and there is good forum support. 

Plus these are becoming sought after and are commanding good prices!  If you looked after it, you'd sell it easily and get a good price as well! 

Not only would it be higher up the Cool Wall than anything else in that budget, you'd learn to love it with all that crawling around under it! 

In Budget 

SEE! That's exactly what I'm talking about!!

Looks nice, seems like it'll do the job, but 6m down the line I'll be under it trying to change the clutch, fix 3 coolant leaks and trying to weld up 89 structural holes, all in a weekend. Its a trap I tells ya! 

Plus my welding looks like metallic pigeon sh!t.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Plus my welding looks like metallic pigeon sh!t.

Dosn't matter as it'd be out of sight and lathered over with grease, Hammerite or whatever was kicking about at the time. 

I had a quick look at Terracan's and they are cheap! A lot of motor for the money!    

A friend of mine had a Tucson, smaller but good fun to drive.  She had it for ages and put some serious mileage on it with little trouble. 

They both have the looks only a Mother could love though! 

[Viral_Jim]

it'll be a long time (if ever) before I buy a JLR product again!

The post BMW ones are an awful lot better...  ...Ford did a half decent job of sorting stuff out, and the Indians have finished it off.

While you may be proved right, history has shown me they're sh!te, and I'll need time to be convinced.

The only two people I know personally who've had modern jags have both suffered problems I consider unacceptable in a modern car.

1. Facelift Gen 1 XF (less than 3yrs old do thankfully a warranty job) dead electrics due to a boot full of water from leaking light cluster. The same issue that afflicted our x-type and many others. Clearly not learning from their mistakes.

2. XJ 3.0D with bubbling paint at less than 5yrs old. Not an uncommon problem and utterly utterly unacceptable to me on a car made in this decade.

Time will tell I'm sure, but JLR is not for me for the foreseeable future.

[Sir Tigger KC]

What about a Ssangyong Rexton? 

I bet they're cheap! 

[Doctor Gollum]

What about a Ssangyong Rexton? 

I bet they're hideously ugly! 

You're not wrong 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Have had to put a gearbox in a TerribleCan in the past 12 months, transfer box is also not great.