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[STEMO]

There's so many specs, and options that it really doesn't matter for ordinary cars. And you won't get any more ordinary than a Vectra. Condition and convenience are the priorities once you've decided your mechanical requirements - I wouldn't buy a diesel or auto for example.

I have a diesel that's auto and I love it 

How about when it's 12 years old and any repair is more than the car is worth?

How about when any car is 12 years old? Why should a diesel auto be different from a petrol manual?
And more than the car is worth to who? Parker's?

Petrol engines nowhere near as complex as modern diesels,expensive injectors,fuel pumps,dpf's and suchlike can cost a fortune,petrols have there issues too but generally cheaper to sort out

Yep and they are much easier on the drivetrain that follows them due to their smoother torque delivery, meaning that if you have a fragile FWD automatic box there is less chance of it dying.

I'm glad that, according to Mark, I've one of the best auto gearboxes about, then. 

Bunch of old, and young, men going on about keeping cars until they die. That's the men, not the cars. 

[henryd]

There's so many specs, and options that it really doesn't matter for ordinary cars. And you won't get any more ordinary than a Vectra. Condition and convenience are the priorities once you've decided your mechanical requirements - I wouldn't buy a diesel or auto for example.

I have a diesel that's auto and I love it 

How about when it's 12 years old and any repair is more than the car is worth?

How about when any car is 12 years old? Why should a diesel auto be different from a petrol manual?
And more than the car is worth to who? Parker's?

Petrol engines nowhere near as complex as modern diesels,expensive injectors,fuel pumps,dpf's and suchlike can cost a fortune,petrols have there issues too but generally cheaper to sort out

Yep and they are much easier on the drivetrain that follows them due to their smoother torque delivery, meaning that if you have a fragile FWD automatic box there is less chance of it dying.

I'm glad that, according to Mark, I've one of the best auto gearboxes about, then. 

Bunch of old, and young, men going on about keeping cars until they die. That's the men, not the cars. 

I think its the same gearbox that my Saaaaaaab has 

[STEMO]

There's so many specs, and options that it really doesn't matter for ordinary cars. And you won't get any more ordinary than a Vectra. Condition and convenience are the priorities once you've decided your mechanical requirements - I wouldn't buy a diesel or auto for example.

I have a diesel that's auto and I love it 

How about when it's 12 years old and any repair is more than the car is worth?

How about when any car is 12 years old? Why should a diesel auto be different from a petrol manual?
And more than the car is worth to who? Parker's?

Petrol engines nowhere near as complex as modern diesels,expensive injectors,fuel pumps,dpf's and suchlike can cost a fortune,petrols have there issues too but generally cheaper to sort out

Yep and they are much easier on the drivetrain that follows them due to their smoother torque delivery, meaning that if you have a fragile FWD automatic box there is less chance of it dying.

I'm glad that, according to Mark, I've one of the best auto gearboxes about, then. 

Bunch of old, and young, men going on about keeping cars until they die. That's the men, not the cars. 

I think its the same gearbox that my Saaaaaaab has 

And how many miles has your Saab done?

[henryd]

There's so many specs, and options that it really doesn't matter for ordinary cars. And you won't get any more ordinary than a Vectra. Condition and convenience are the priorities once you've decided your mechanical requirements - I wouldn't buy a diesel or auto for example.

I have a diesel that's auto and I love it 

How about when it's 12 years old and any repair is more than the car is worth?

How about when any car is 12 years old? Why should a diesel auto be different from a petrol manual?
And more than the car is worth to who? Parker's?

Petrol engines nowhere near as complex as modern diesels,expensive injectors,fuel pumps,dpf's and suchlike can cost a fortune,petrols have there issues too but generally cheaper to sort out

Yep and they are much easier on the drivetrain that follows them due to their smoother torque delivery, meaning that if you have a fragile FWD automatic box there is less chance of it dying.

I'm glad that, according to Mark, I've one of the best auto gearboxes about, then. 

Bunch of old, and young, men going on about keeping cars until they die. That's the men, not the cars. 

I think its the same gearbox that my Saaaaaaab has 

And how many miles has your Saab done?

136K

[STEMO]

There's so many specs, and options that it really doesn't matter for ordinary cars. And you won't get any more ordinary than a Vectra. Condition and convenience are the priorities once you've decided your mechanical requirements - I wouldn't buy a diesel or auto for example.

I have a diesel that's auto and I love it 

How about when it's 12 years old and any repair is more than the car is worth?

How about when any car is 12 years old? Why should a diesel auto be different from a petrol manual?
And more than the car is worth to who? Parker's?

Petrol engines nowhere near as complex as modern diesels,expensive injectors,fuel pumps,dpf's and suchlike can cost a fortune,petrols have there issues too but generally cheaper to sort out

Yep and they are much easier on the drivetrain that follows them due to their smoother torque delivery, meaning that if you have a fragile FWD automatic box there is less chance of it dying.

I'm glad that, according to Mark, I've one of the best auto gearboxes about, then. 

Bunch of old, and young, men going on about keeping cars until they die. That's the men, not the cars. 

I think its the same gearbox that my Saaaaaaab has 

And how many miles has your Saab done?

136K

At least 86K left in mine then 

[henryd]

There's so many specs, and options that it really doesn't matter for ordinary cars. And you won't get any more ordinary than a Vectra. Condition and convenience are the priorities once you've decided your mechanical requirements - I wouldn't buy a diesel or auto for example.

I have a diesel that's auto and I love it 

How about when it's 12 years old and any repair is more than the car is worth?

How about when any car is 12 years old? Why should a diesel auto be different from a petrol manual?
And more than the car is worth to who? Parker's?

Petrol engines nowhere near as complex as modern diesels,expensive injectors,fuel pumps,dpf's and suchlike can cost a fortune,petrols have there issues too but generally cheaper to sort out

Yep and they are much easier on the drivetrain that follows them due to their smoother torque delivery, meaning that if you have a fragile FWD automatic box there is less chance of it dying.

I'm glad that, according to Mark, I've one of the best auto gearboxes about, then. 

Bunch of old, and young, men going on about keeping cars until they die. That's the men, not the cars. 

I think its the same gearbox that my Saaaaaaab has 

And how many miles has your Saab done?

136K

At least 86K left in mine then 

Yeah,drive on

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

There's so many specs, and options that it really doesn't matter for ordinary cars. And you won't get any more ordinary than a Vectra. Condition and convenience are the priorities once you've decided your mechanical requirements - I wouldn't buy a diesel or auto for example.

I have a diesel that's auto and I love it 

How about when it's 12 years old and any repair is more than the car is worth?

How about when any car is 12 years old? Why should a diesel auto be different from a petrol manual?
And more than the car is worth to who? Parker's?

Petrol engines nowhere near as complex as modern diesels,expensive injectors,fuel pumps,dpf's and suchlike can cost a fortune,petrols have there issues too but generally cheaper to sort out

Yep and they are much easier on the drivetrain that follows them due to their smoother torque delivery, meaning that if you have a fragile FWD automatic box there is less chance of it dying.

I'm glad that, according to Mark, I've one of the best auto gearboxes about, then. 

Bunch of old, and young, men going on about keeping cars until they die. That's the men, not the cars. 

I think its the same gearbox that my Saaaaaaab has 

And how many miles has your Saab done?

136K

At least 86K left in mine then 

But Saab are driven by Scandinavian philosophers and intellectuals. An Astra derv driven by a  surly pensioner from Barnsley will not receive the same TLC.



 

[STEMO]

Surly? 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Surly? 

Apt and concise. Applies to most old people from the North.

[STEMO]

Surly? 

Apt and concise. Applies to most old people from the North.

I am not surly, so you can f**k right off. 

[johnnydog]

There's so many specs, and options that it really doesn't matter for ordinary cars. And you won't get any more ordinary than a Vectra. Condition and convenience are the priorities once you've decided your mechanical requirements - I wouldn't buy a diesel or auto for example.

Getting back to the topic in hand.... 'ordinary' cars?
Does that mean the cheap 100k sub £2-5k runabout? In that situation, then I'd agree condition is important and the spec secondary, but if we are talking about a more current model perhaps still under warranty then spec IS important in my opinion.
Only ever had one Vectra , a 2.5 V6 - very nice car in its day, but Vectras now don't float my boat. But if it just a cheap roundabout does it matter that much?

[Raeturbo]

Wow! Lucky I’m still sane after all this

[ronnyd]

Wow! Lucky I’m still sane after all this

Who said you were.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Surly? 

Apt and concise. Applies to most old people from the North.

I am not surly, so you can f**k right off. 

......that's the ticket.

[Raeturbo]

Wow! Lucky I’m still sane after all this

Who said you were.

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                  Everybody say, I’m cool, he’s cool.....