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[Doctor Gollum]

You have to do these things when the opportunity presents itself... neither may be around tomorrow

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Should have driven through him. That would have learned him.

[TheBoy]

In a recent thread I stated “Even using a hands free phone is somewhat similar to being on the alcohol limit.” 
Andy B replied “13ollocks”. 
When I asked Andy B “Could you please substantiate your comment.”, citing two research papers which supported my position, he responded “No .... Lies, damned lies & statistics.”  The thread was subsequently locked so I sent Andy B a PM with the web address so he could download the report for himself and said I would start a new discussion. 

One report I cited is by the Transport and Road Research Laboratory and is entitled How dangerous is driving with a mobile phone? Benchmarking the impairment to alcohol (see https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259258482_How_Dangerous_is_Driving_with_a_Mobile_Phone_Benchmarking_the_Impairment_to_Alcohol). 

I took this from the report Executive Summary and sorted and bulleted the points.  Everything is a direct quote from the report.

This study aimed to quantify the impairment from Handsfree and Hand-held phone conversations in relation to the decline in driving performance caused by alcohol impairment. 

Using a phone is worse than driving with 80mg/ml alcohol

• … drivers had significantly poorer speed control when using the Hand-held phone than during the other three conditions [including driving with 80 mg/100ml].
• Reaction times were significantly slower for drivers using phones in comparison to when they had alcohol. 
• Results showed a tendency for drivers to slow down when talking on Hand-held or Hands-free phones, even when they were specifically instructed to maintain a set speed. [unable to follow instructions] .
• … drivers missed significantly more warnings when they were using a phone.
• There was [sic] also significantly fewer warnings missed by the drivers when they were on alcohol in comparison to when they were using the Hands-free phones. [ie even hands free is worse than driving with 80mg/100ml alcohol]
• The phone drivers were also responding to the wrong warnings more often than the alcohol drivers (false alarms).
• From the subjective mental effort ratings participants made immediately after driving each route, it was clear that they found driving while using a Hand-held phone to be the most difficult.
• … certain aspects of driving performance are impaired more by using a phone than by having a blood alcohol level at the legal limit (80mg/ 100ml). 

Driving with 80mg/ml alcohol is worse than using a phone

• ... drivers drove faster than normal when under the influence of alcohol. [and unable to follow instructions]
• When drivers were under the influence of alcohol, they were significantly worse at driving smoothly (standard deviation of lane position) than during the other three conditions.

It is concluded that driving behaviour while talking on a phone is not only worse than normal driving, it can also be described as dangerous.

Although using phones while driving ... can be considered as irresponsible and dangerous, this behaviour is common. Drivers need to be strongly discouraged from engaging in any phone use while behind the wheel.

I fail to see why that is "13ollocks" but perhaps Andy B will join the discussion and tell us why he believes it is "13ollocks"

Stop talking shit. I can find a whole heap of official reports that clearly state to the emergency services that non handheld communications devices are perfectly safe to use when the driver feels its safe enough to use them.  I take more notice of these than random "reports" written to a differing agenda.

But I'm not interested in playing my cock is bigger than yours.

[STEMO]

In a recent thread I stated “Even using a hands free phone is somewhat similar to being on the alcohol limit.” 
Andy B replied “13ollocks”. 
When I asked Andy B “Could you please substantiate your comment.”, citing two research papers which supported my position, he responded “No .... Lies, damned lies & statistics.”  The thread was subsequently locked so I sent Andy B a PM with the web address so he could download the report for himself and said I would start a new discussion. 

One report I cited is by the Transport and Road Research Laboratory and is entitled How dangerous is driving with a mobile phone? Benchmarking the impairment to alcohol (see https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259258482_How_Dangerous_is_Driving_with_a_Mobile_Phone_Benchmarking_the_Impairment_to_Alcohol). 

I took this from the report Executive Summary and sorted and bulleted the points.  Everything is a direct quote from the report.

This study aimed to quantify the impairment from Handsfree and Hand-held phone conversations in relation to the decline in driving performance caused by alcohol impairment. 

Using a phone is worse than driving with 80mg/ml alcohol

• … drivers had significantly poorer speed control when using the Hand-held phone than during the other three conditions [including driving with 80 mg/100ml].
• Reaction times were significantly slower for drivers using phones in comparison to when they had alcohol. 
• Results showed a tendency for drivers to slow down when talking on Hand-held or Hands-free phones, even when they were specifically instructed to maintain a set speed. [unable to follow instructions] .
• … drivers missed significantly more warnings when they were using a phone.
• There was [sic] also significantly fewer warnings missed by the drivers when they were on alcohol in comparison to when they were using the Hands-free phones. [ie even hands free is worse than driving with 80mg/100ml alcohol]
• The phone drivers were also responding to the wrong warnings more often than the alcohol drivers (false alarms).
• From the subjective mental effort ratings participants made immediately after driving each route, it was clear that they found driving while using a Hand-held phone to be the most difficult.
• … certain aspects of driving performance are impaired more by using a phone than by having a blood alcohol level at the legal limit (80mg/ 100ml). 

Driving with 80mg/ml alcohol is worse than using a phone

• ... drivers drove faster than normal when under the influence of alcohol. [and unable to follow instructions]
• When drivers were under the influence of alcohol, they were significantly worse at driving smoothly (standard deviation of lane position) than during the other three conditions.

It is concluded that driving behaviour while talking on a phone is not only worse than normal driving, it can also be described as dangerous.

Although using phones while driving ... can be considered as irresponsible and dangerous, this behaviour is common. Drivers need to be strongly discouraged from engaging in any phone use while behind the wheel.

I fail to see why that is "13ollocks" but perhaps Andy B will join the discussion and tell us why he believes it is "13ollocks"

Stop talking shit. I can find a whole heap of official reports that clearly state to the emergency services that non handheld communications devices are perfectly safe to use when the driver feels its safe enough to use them.  I take more notice of these than random "reports" written to a differing agenda.

But I'm not interested in playing my cock is bigger than yours.

Have you seen it lately? In the flesh, I mean, not in the mirror 

[TheBoy]

Have you seen it lately? In the flesh, I mean, not in the mirror 

Not when I went out earlier today.  I think it turned inside out. Brrrrrrr!

[STEMO]

Have you seen it lately? In the flesh, I mean, not in the mirror 

Not when I went out earlier today.  I think it turned inside out. Brrrrrrr!

Wimpy southern jelly. Me and doggie were strolling round in minus three this morning. The worst part was, I got my boots soaking wet yesterday and left them in the car. When I put them on this morning, the inside was frozen 

But, after ten minutes or so, everything was fine. My toes were frozen too, so I couldn't feel a thing.

[dave the builder]

Have you seen it lately? In the flesh, I mean, not in the mirror 

Not when I went out earlier today.  I think it turned inside out. Brrrrrrr!

Wimpy southern jelly. Me and doggie were strolling round in minus three this morning. The worst part was, I got my boots soaking wet yesterday and left them in the car. When I put them on this morning, the inside was frozen 

But, after ten minutes or so, everything was fine. My toes were frozen too, so I couldn't feel a thing.

hope you have the correct strength screen wash 

[STEMO]

Have you seen it lately? In the flesh, I mean, not in the mirror 

Not when I went out earlier today.  I think it turned inside out. Brrrrrrr!

Wimpy southern jelly. Me and doggie were strolling round in minus three this morning. The worst part was, I got my boots soaking wet yesterday and left them in the car. When I put them on this morning, the inside was frozen 

But, after ten minutes or so, everything was fine. My toes were frozen too, so I couldn't feel a thing.

hope you have the correct strength screen wash 

It's ok, my boots are out of warranty. And my toes 

[dave the builder]

Have you seen it lately? In the flesh, I mean, not in the mirror 

Not when I went out earlier today.  I think it turned inside out. Brrrrrrr!

Wimpy southern jelly. Me and doggie were strolling round in minus three this morning. The worst part was, I got my boots soaking wet yesterday and left them in the car. When I put them on this morning, the inside was frozen 

But, after ten minutes or so, everything was fine. My toes were frozen too, so I couldn't feel a thing.

hope you have the correct strength screen wash 

It's ok, my boots are out of warranty. And my toes 

what about the mut 

[Doctor Gollum]

It was a balmy minus 2 when I got to Luton this morning...

Fortunately my new, proper, job is hanger based, so will be nice and warm inside all winter

[STEMO]

Have you seen it lately? In the flesh, I mean, not in the mirror 

Not when I went out earlier today.  I think it turned inside out. Brrrrrrr!

Wimpy southern jelly. Me and doggie were strolling round in minus three this morning. The worst part was, I got my boots soaking wet yesterday and left them in the car. When I put them on this morning, the inside was frozen 

But, after ten minutes or so, everything was fine. My toes were frozen too, so I couldn't feel a thing.

hope you have the correct strength screen wash 

It's ok, my boots are out of warranty. And my toes 

what about the mut 

She has a posh fur coat.

[TheBoy]

Have you seen it lately? In the flesh, I mean, not in the mirror 

Not when I went out earlier today.  I think it turned inside out. Brrrrrrr!

Wimpy southern jelly. Me and doggie were strolling round in minus three this morning. The worst part was, I got my boots soaking wet yesterday and left them in the car. When I put them on this morning, the inside was frozen 

But, after ten minutes or so, everything was fine. My toes were frozen too, so I couldn't feel a thing.

Ah, but I bet you had the foresight to put a coat on 

[STEMO]

Have you seen it lately? In the flesh, I mean, not in the mirror 

Not when I went out earlier today.  I think it turned inside out. Brrrrrrr!

Wimpy southern jelly. Me and doggie were strolling round in minus three this morning. The worst part was, I got my boots soaking wet yesterday and left them in the car. When I put them on this morning, the inside was frozen 

But, after ten minutes or so, everything was fine. My toes were frozen too, so I couldn't feel a thing.

Ah, but I bet you had the foresight to put a coat on 

Well.....yes. It's what normal folk do. 

[Doctor Gollum]

You've been people watching haven't you...

[biggriffin]

 I seem to manage, drinking tea, eating and talking on the phone, and DG hasn't written off and of easyjets things driving his snow plough.

Also the trrl test, did they use a 24year old snowflake t conduct the test or an experienced driver with 25+ years experience.