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[aaronjb]

Boris can turn to the Chinese govt and say " Hey sorry about that, but that's democracy for you!"

I can just imagine their response to that... "Let us tell you how you can fix that democracy problem permanently, comrade Boris!"

[Sir Tigger KC]

There may be a small rebellion but I cant see it being enough to overturn it.

They can make sure of that. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

How ?

[Doctor Gollum]

How ?

Well, the made the start of the Brexit process last an extra 9 months, so I wouldn't rule it out...

[Sir Tigger KC]

How ?

How?

They discreetly encourage enough Tory MP's to vote against that's how.

It's a bit far fetched I admit and would create a massive hoo haa when the plot was inevitably leaked to the Guardian! 

[biggriffin]

How ?

How?

They discreetly encourage enough Tory MP's to vote against that's how.

It's a bit far fetched I admit and would create a massive hoo haa when the plot was inevitably leaked to the Guardian! 

 Then Mr Bond is sent on a secret mission to find out who is really behind this dastardly plot,  and on the way bumps into a really pretty Chinese agent called wover Wong Time, and they both trace the plot back to Russia via Taiwan,  and end up shagging on a slow boat from Singapore.   That's the Hoof'land theroy.

[Doctor Gollum]

How ?

How?

They discreetly encourage enough Tory MP's to vote against that's how.

It's a bit far fetched I admit and would create a massive hoo haa when the plot was inevitably leaked to the Guardian! 

 Then Mr Bond is sent on a secret mission to find out who is really behind this dastardly plot,  and on the way bumps into a really pretty Chinese agent called wover Wong Time, and they both trace the plot back to Russia via Taiwan,  and end up catching bird flu on a slow boat from Singapore.   That's the Hoof'land theroy.

[biggriffin]

It might be a very clever plan, to allow the Chinese in, then see what they are doing, and watch and learn.
 Keep your friends close and your enimies closer.

[TheBoy]

I was speaking to the financial director of a global PLC, which has a business in China, about Huawei yesterday.
He told me that when his colleagues in China feel ok to speak candidly, they assure him that all our worst fears, and some more we haven't thought of yet, are fully justified.
They cant believe our Govt has allowed the company to become involved in any way, with out future communications.
Coming from such a highly intelligent, mild mannered, thoughtful man, I found it quite worrying.

Hauwei do have some of the best silicon for certain areas, like 5G.  Appalling bad software, and of course Chinese (where their laws dictate they have to act in any way they are told).  They also own many of the key patents in some areas.

TBH, as most of use hybrid fibre for our internet, there is a good chance that you are served by a Hauwei cabinet (other common option is the Israeli ECI).  There is a reasonable chance your ISP supplied router is either made by Hauwei, or uses Hauwei modem chips.


So its not always a black and white debate.

[aaronjb]

Exactly - everyone has their panties in a bunch that Huawei will be in the 5G infrastructure, conveniently ignoring that they're already in a position to see an awful lot of mobile & internet traffic anyway...

SSL everywhere will at least raise the bar to spying.

He says, looking at the http:// in the address bar right now 

[STEMO]

Surely any state actor that wants to know anything/everything about individuals such as us already does. There's a programme on BBC on Monday about Amazon and, apparently, they already know too.
With regards to 'state secrets' and comms with our allies, then it's up to our government to protect those from everyone and, if they can't, then letting huawei into the 5G network isn't going to make any difference, because the world and his mate would be in anyway.

If it came to another state wanting to do serious damage, as an act of war, I'm pretty sure they'd be able to knock out our power grid and, without that, nothing else would work anyway. We'd probably be able to do the same to them.

[Varche]

Switzerland, that bastion of neutrality, sold Crypto AG machines to 120 governments across the world fortens of years BUT both the US and German security services had a back door provided by Crypto!

Thank goodness China is also a neutral country.

[TheBoy]

He says, looking at the http:// in the address bar right now 

OOF does both, user choice

Obviously, Chrome are planning to wreck https early next year, making everyone go back to http. But then we know Google are self centred idiots.

[TheBoy]

Surely any state actor that wants to know anything/everything about individuals such as us already does. There's a programme on BBC on Monday about Amazon and, apparently, they already know too.
With regards to 'state secrets' and comms with our allies, then it's up to our government to protect those from everyone and, if they can't, then letting huawei into the 5G network isn't going to make any difference, because the world and his mate would be in anyway.

If it came to another state wanting to do serious damage, as an act of war, I'm pretty sure they'd be able to knock out our power grid and, without that, nothing else would work anyway. We'd probably be able to do the same to them.

Huawei are a private company. But Chinese law means if the Chinese state ask Hauwei to spy, or disable the UK's network due to a spat, they have to comply.

That's the issue.

OK, so not having your internet isn't a problem, but the country not having it is.  No phones. No emergency services. No trading. Shop shelves empty. No travel. The list goes on.