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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #30 on: 12 January 2021, 19:37:55 »
My Granada ones looked identical, and whilst I cannot point to their differences, I do know that the old one fitted correctly and the new one didn't.

I only mention it to give you summat to consider  ;)
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #31 on: 12 January 2021, 19:41:20 »
Thanks!  :y

It would help if I knew what I was doing....  ::)  I'm OK when it come to replacing parts but when things get a bit more involved....  :-\
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #32 on: 12 January 2021, 19:42:55 »
It's only three bolts. What could possibly... Oh wait ;D
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #33 on: 12 January 2021, 19:44:01 »
Quote from: Doctor Gollum on 12 January 2021, 19:42:55
It's only three bolts. What could possibly... Oh wait ;D

Exactly!  >:(                           :'(                             ::)                               ;D
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #34 on: 12 January 2021, 20:20:16 »
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 12 January 2021, 19:29:11
The only difference is that with the old one I can push the pinion out as far as it will go on it's shaft with my thumb, but needed assistance from a screwdriver on the new one. I guess this is just a new spring verses an old one.

that may be the problem
the new starter is not throwing out the cog enough if it takes a screwdriver
does it travel all the way when power is applied ? wheely bin testing  ;D
I did say "lube your shaft" a while back  :P
also, is the battery fully charged ,given the extra push needed to throw out the cog AND spin the engine  :-\
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #35 on: 12 January 2021, 20:23:00 »
just to be sure then.
the old starter used to work so is the correct model etc.
double check everything.           do the gearcogs look identical .(same length,diameter,teeth number and angle)do they sit in the same position now and move to the same position when energised.   silly suggestion but do they turn the same rotation ? ( new one could be wrong internally)   . try to measure where the cog will move to when its on the car and see if the tooth on the ringgear look to measure up ?
just a few ideas.

obtain another " known working" starter motor !
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #36 on: 13 January 2021, 12:56:52 »
Well I think I've solved the conundrum...  ::)

On closer examination the pinion cog is slightly larger (2-3mm diameter) and has an extra tooth than the original, and looking at the outer face of the cog there are shiny marks where it butted up and span against the flywheel.  The flywheel has corresponding marks as well.  ::)

So not quite as identical as I thought....  :-[   
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #37 on: 13 January 2021, 13:00:31 »
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 13 January 2021, 12:56:52
Well I think I've solved the conundrum...  ::)

On closer examination the pinion cog is slightly larger (2-3mm diameter) and has an extra tooth than the original, and looking at the outer face of the cog there are shiny marks where it butted up and span against the flywheel.  The flywheel has corresponding marks as well.  ::)

So not quite as identical as I thought....  :-[
Shit! Did you say it was a brand new starter? That won't have been cheap  :(
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #38 on: 13 January 2021, 13:07:56 »
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 13 January 2021, 12:56:52
Well I think I've solved the conundrum...  ::)

On closer examination the pinion cog is slightly larger (2-3mm diameter) and has an extra tooth than the original, and looking at the outer face of the cog there are shiny marks where it butted up and span against the flywheel.  The flywheel has corresponding marks as well.  ::)

So not quite as identical as I thought....  :-[


Return it.


At least you haven't already given the original, correctly fitting one in exchange
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #39 on: 13 January 2021, 13:54:02 »
It was £65 from Ebay....  ::)      and I've emailed the supplier for refund.  :)

Luckily I did double check with them that it was the correct part before purchasing, gave them the reg number, and they told me it was the correct part.  So if they dick me about I'll go direct to Ebay.  :y

What to do next though?  As the old one seems to work OK on the 'bench' I'm tempted to clean and lube it, and give it another try.  :-\

Although I did notice earlier when I was testing them both, that the new one seems to have a lot more Ooomph!  So I wonder if the old one is just tired and hasn't the power to turn the engine any more.  :-\
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #40 on: 13 January 2021, 14:33:16 »
If you’re going to clean and lube it why not get a set of brushes for it at the same time, job done then
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #41 on: 13 January 2021, 14:39:34 »
Quote from: Raeturbo on 13 January 2021, 14:33:16
If you’re going to clean and lube it why not get a set of brushes for it at the same time, job done then

Oh hell now you're getting technical Rae!  :o  ::)  ;D
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #42 on: 13 January 2021, 14:49:16 »
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 13 January 2021, 14:39:34
Quote from: Raeturbo on 13 January 2021, 14:33:16
If you’re going to clean and lube it why not get a set of brushes for it at the same time, job done then

Oh hell now you're getting technical Rae!  :o  ::)  ;D
Next time you test it on the bin, open the lid first.  ;D
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #43 on: 13 January 2021, 14:58:10 »
Quote from: STEMO on 13 January 2021, 14:49:16
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 13 January 2021, 14:39:34
Quote from: Raeturbo on 13 January 2021, 14:33:16
If you’re going to clean and lube it why not get a set of brushes for it at the same time, job done then

Oh hell now you're getting technical Rae!  :o  ::)  ;D
Next time you test it on the bin, open the lid first.  ;D

If the car fitted in the bin....  ::)

Probably not classed as 'Green Waste' though....  :-\  :P  ;D
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Re: Mondeo Starter Motor
« Reply #44 on: 13 January 2021, 15:00:22 »
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 13 January 2021, 14:39:34
Quote from: Raeturbo on 13 January 2021, 14:33:16
If you’re going to clean and lube it why not get a set of brushes for it at the same time, job done then

Oh hell now you're getting technical Rae!  :o  ::)  ;D

Although it looks easy enough on YouTube!  :y                                                          ::)                                                 :-\
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