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[Lizzie Zoom]

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No one knows the long term effects of being vaccinated either, but that doesn't seem to stop the push for getting it... Or the general willingness to receive it.

I'm double vaccinated but I have also thought about what that means in the future .


now the UK are ignoring the current explosion of new cases and scrapping "mandatory mask and social distancing" I hear 33% of people won't bother after "chinese virus freedom day" with either . 

effectively allowing the virus to spread throughout the population

what if vaccines become unavailable or ineffective due to a new variant 

or, will we be reliant on hopefully getting the effective vaccines and what if vaccines are no longer free*

*free - yes vaccines are not free now ,because they are paid for from taxes,  but what if it becomes like a prescription charge that some won't have funds to pay for ,effectively "no pay - no live"

the "Omega variant" is possibly not too far away

though that will probably rust pretty quick and be scrapped 

We live with flue, risks from terminal cancer, a fatal car accident, and goodness knows what else during our lives.  Just carry on and enjoy what you can Dave whilst you can.   Our lives are too short to over worry about it.  Just remember what previous generations had to go through.  That WAS bloody hard, but they still got up every morning and made the best of the day as they could.  We are much better placed than they ever were. 

Yes, my flue has a terminal 

Yes, I have done it again!!!   I blame it on my love of coal fires and steam engines that have flues.  Flu is so boring compared to that..........................that's my excuse anyway!!

[Varche]

Buy shares in Pharmaceuticals. Next year or is it later this year we will all be q’ing to get our annual vaccine for covid. They have already said that the booster jabs wont be the cut price induced by the ill fated AZ.

Money to be made out of this mess. Amazon are still a good buy too.

[Rangie]

When your times up that's it, no matter what you do you cannot change your position in the queue.

[Raeturbo]

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No one knows the long term effects of being vaccinated either, but that doesn't seem to stop the push for getting it... Or the general willingness to receive it.

I'm double vaccinated but I have also thought about what that means in the future .


now the UK are ignoring the current explosion of new cases and scrapping "mandatory mask and social distancing" I hear 33% of people won't bother after "chinese virus freedom day" with either . 

effectively allowing the virus to spread throughout the population

what if vaccines become unavailable or ineffective due to a new variant 

or, will we be reliant on hopefully getting the effective vaccines and what if vaccines are no longer free*

*free - yes vaccines are not free now ,because they are paid for from taxes,  but what if it becomes like a prescription charge that some won't have funds to pay for ,effectively "no pay - no live"

the "Omega variant" is possibly not too far away

though that will probably rust pretty quick and be scrapped 

We live with flue, risks from terminal cancer, a fatal car accident, and goodness knows what else during our lives.  Just carry on and enjoy what you can Dave whilst you can.   Our lives are too short to over worry about it.  Just remember what previous generations had to go through.  That WAS bloody hard, but they still got up every morning and made the best of the day as they could.  We are much better placed than they ever were. 

              Yes indeed, well said Lizz

[JasonH]

Doesn't sound unreasonable, I have had both jabs and yet still caught it 

Cripes, sorry to hear that.

Tell us more.

Which vaccine? Was it 2+ weeks after the second? And how bad did you get COVID?

[dave the builder]

We live with flue, risks from terminal cancer, a fatal car accident, and goodness knows what else during our lives.  Just carry on and enjoy what you can Dave whilst you can.   Our lives are too short to over worry about it.  Just remember what previous generations had to go through.  That WAS bloody hard, but they still got up every morning and made the best of the day as they could.  We are much better placed than they ever were. 

thanks for the tip Lizzie 

drugs , hookers and booze it is then 

[Lizzie Zoom]

We live with flue, risks from terminal cancer, a fatal car accident, and goodness knows what else during our lives.  Just carry on and enjoy what you can Dave whilst you can.   Our lives are too short to over worry about it.  Just remember what previous generations had to go through.  That WAS bloody hard, but they still got up every morning and made the best of the day as they could.  We are much better placed than they ever were. 

thanks for the tip Lizzie 

drugs , hookers and booze it is then 

If that is what makes someone tick, and does not affect other people ,which probably is impossible, do it in the time you have got left which will be speeded up by that mix!!   Live and let live, until that knock on the door by the grim reaper!

[Raeturbo]

What😱 aren’t you going to spend any on yourself 🤭

[Doctor Gollum]

My gripe is that whilst we're furloughed, we get paid a percentage of our full wage, and this is topped up if we take holiday or work any shifts.

If we're off sick, then we only get SSP and then only for our rostered shifts, regardless of whether we are furloughed or not. So lets say you're off for a couple of days with a stomach bug, then you wouldn't get anything, but then you would only be off for the minimum amount of time.

However, if we have to self isolate, it's for a mandated ten days. The kicker is only being paid SSP for the days you would be on shift, even though you cannot return work even if you feel better. So we could be off for ten days and only get SSP for four even though if we were furloughed, we would have been paid for ten.

I know that this might come across as selfish whining, but the majority of people here are either semi/retired and therefore unaffected, or are able to work from home and will be being paid regardless of why they aren't in the office.

And obviously rates are going to rise if people are going to be out and about. Hide under the bed if you want, but some people actually want to be back at work.

[Doctor Gollum]

As an aside, if you have both doses of two vaccines are you, and others, more or less protected?

[dave the builder]

As an aside, if you have both doses of two vaccines are you, and others, more or less protected?

statistically , with 2 doses you stand less chance of serious illness and death ,
(25% of deaths are double jabbed )
2 doses doesn't stop you catching Chinese virus though ,you still catch it
and you can still spread it to many other people and they could die ,vaccinated or not
the Beta (south African) variant ,that everyone is rushing back from France with in the next few days ,(so they don't have to quarantine) is not greatly protected against by the Astra zeneka jab

54,674 new cases today ,

with 630,000 estimated active cases last week alone

so , depends how lucky you're feeling 

 wearing a mask ,washing your hands and staying away from people HELPS stop the spread 

but come Monday,  1 in 3 people won't bother according to surveys   

[Doctor Gollum]

You misread my question...

How protected would you be if you had TWO double doses of DIFFERENT vaccines?

[dave the builder]

 no real world data is available because multiple mixed vaccines have not been rolled out yet ,

some studies have been done with 1 dose of AZ and 1 of Phizer

Just like very little is known about the Virus itself .

maybe with time we will have a selection of vaccines that will work very well

but we are not there yet , far too much faith has been placed in 2 jabs of the current offerings

[Viral_Jim]

The statistic about 25% of deaths being double jabbed might well be misleading though, due to how deaths are recorded and who is vaccinated.

We (quite rightly) chose to double vaccinate the elderly and those with underlying health conditions first. Ie, those who were more likely to die with or without covid.

Then consider how the death stats are compiled. If I catch covid and then die within 30 days, that's a covid death, regardless of whether it was a car accident, genuinely covid related, or sh@gged to death by Miss world (listed in ascending order of likelihood  ).

So, you have all these people who are at an increased risk of dying anyway, who, if the are diagnosed with covid (for example when they're tested on admission to hospital due to a heart attack) will be counted as a covid death whether or not the HGV that ran them over was a contributing factor to their demise.

Incidentally, I'm not a covid denier or against vaccination (I'll be double jabbed on 28/7 - as early as I could be), and I will be wearing a mask in public places and sanitising my hands for the foreseeable future, but I am wary of MSM media statistics. 

[Viral_Jim]

Having just looked at the Gov website, there is no time limit in England for deaths "due to covid", so presumably if I tested positive in May last year, and get crushed by a comedy anvil tomorrow, I could become a Covid death statistic 

Scotland apply a 28day cut off and I CBA to look at Wales...