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[STEMO]

Maybe because the chattering classes and the Guardianistas seem to think its the only thing in the world that is important and wont stop ramming the subject down everyones throat ?
Just be what you are / want to be and live and let live.
We dont need to constantly bang on about the subject, unless those involved are addicted to attention seeking and / or being a professional victim.

As far as I am concerned, it's like the obesity crisis, and racism, and all the other things that are very important........to the BBC and the like.
I see it all on the news, but in my daily life it just doesn't matter.
My wife works in a left wing local authority, and I dare say all of the rules around these things are in place, but she doesn't actually come across it in her daily working life.
They are a tiny, tiny minority, given more airtime than is necessary, to push an agenda. It's as if these politicians are just playing devil's advocate for the sake of it, to bring meaning to their otherwise dull lives.

[STEMO]

God, when will you all stop whinging about other people's medical issues and going on, and on, and on, about those in society who were born with a brain gender different than what their bodies suggest they should have.  These threads repeat themselves now every few months.

Yes it is a well recognised condition by specialist and general medical professionals, that has been becoming far better understood over many decades since at least the 1930's.  That is why Gender Identity Clinics exist along with the support surgical services and the Gender Recognition Act 2004 is in existance.

Yes, TRANSMEN can have a cervix and vagina and, shock, horror, CAN give birth to live babies [/highlight]until they have the final gender reassignment operation.  TRANSWOMEN, once they have had the final gender reassignment operation, have a vagina but cannot reproduce, much to the long term distress of them with female brains since they were born, or before. 

So instead of trying hard to make fun and degrade those who have this unfortunate, life changing, condition, just either support them or just say nothing and stop causing them even greater distress than they are suffering all ready. Live and let live in your so perfect lives!!

Are you aware that transmen are 'biological women' hence there is no shock horror they can give birth. Only women can give birth, only women have periods, only women have a cervix. Men can not give birth. It's really not rocket science.

Actually my views are in line with 99% of the population including 'gender critical feminists such as Germaine Greer and Rosie Duffield. These women are actually champions of 'women's rights' not more rights for biological men.

Despite women causing me much grief  over the years (most of it of a financial nature) I vey much like and enjoy women.

Biological men can identify as they like, I really don't care......but biology can not be dismissed as irrelevant and a man can never be a woman.


Peter Tatchell describes 'people' who come under the umbrella of the word 'woman'


he says there are 'trans women' and 'non trans women'


Think about that for a moment before you throw real women under the bus.

I was answering your original post to emphasis Transmen can give birth, so it is not just "women" who have a cervix and vagina.  Those individuals identify as masculine, but may go through a final female act to provide them and their partner with children.  THEIR CHOICE and one that does not effect you, so get over it!

As for "thinking about that", I have great personal experience of this subject going back 60+ years, studying at close quarters all the aspects of the Trans condition and can say there is a lot of ignorance about the issue, which Sir Starmer has touched on and wishes to rectify within his Party.  You are continually reflecting that ignorance, that thank goodness is declining and unlike you is recognising brain gender when assessing the whole persons persona.

Yes of course there are some individuals like the disgraced Germaine Greer who have a different viewpoint thinking she is helping us women's cause, but like with a number of her viewpoints she is out of touch with science and reality.

As for Peter Tatchell, he actually supports BOTH women's and transwomen rights, and has done for 50+ years, so why try and use him in the argument against trans people?  His comment about there are transwomen and non-transwomen is actually just stating fact, not trying to belittle, insult or purely mock as you do.

As I say, why go on about it when it does not affect you?!!

How can a biological woman and staunch feminist be disgraced for fighting for the rights of biological women?

As for being out of touch with science and reality, as far as Homo Sapiens goes, only biological women can give birth.

That is irrefutable.

Being trans doesn't change that. By your own definition, it is a mental issue not a biological one.

Turning your bits inside out (that works both ways) does not make you biologically anything other than how you were born, although it might make you feel better... (in itself not necessarily a bad thing).

But all the woke band wagon is doing is turning the traditional thinking majority against anything that's different or unusual.

Without all the woe is us BS, the vast majority of people don't have an issue with people being different or living their own lives as they choose. The objection, and ultimately hostility, comes from constantly being told that traditional tolerant beliefs are wrong, defunct, or worse an affront.

After 60 years of 'dealing' with being misgendered or whatever the current woke term is, you should be content to just be, well, content.

Obviously you aren't, but that's up to you, not anyone else, however Jurassic you might think people are in their beliefs.

Judge not, lest you be judged and all that.

Absolutely 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Speaking of Germaine Greer I feel quite sorry for her.

As Al says, she spends years fighting for the rights of 'fanny females' only to be told she is a transphobic bigoted dinosaur by modern feminists like Lisa Nandy and Dawn Butler  for refusing to agree that a trans woman is a woman.

Oh, the irony.

Good on you Germaine.....(although I still don't fancy you)

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Off topic a but but......a good friend of mine restored a large Victorian garden in Saffron Walden (near where Ms Greer lives apparently), and despite the fact he was past retirement age when he started he did a magnificent job.
He got the local probation service to provide him with labour via people who were sentenced to community service and apparently gave several of them a love of garden by involving them in his project.
When it was finished he was summoned to Buck house to be given an O.B.E for his efforts.
Not long after he was asked if he would give Germaine a guided tour of the gardens and explain what he had done.
The whole way around the tour he said she was absolutely vile. "why the F*** did you do it like that you stupid c*** ?
Are you f****** retarded you f****** moron, blah blah blah.
A year or so later he was in the restaurant at a local theatre and asked why it seemed very busy that night.
Someone said "Germaine Greer is giving a talk tonight".
He replied " you would have to be mad to pay money hear that vile woman speak".
Woman at the next table leans over and says to him "your not a fan of my sister then". 

[ronnyd]

Off topic a but but......a good friend of mine restored a large Victorian garden in Saffron Walden (near where Ms Greer lives apparently), and despite the fact he was past retirement age when he started he did a magnificent job.
He got the local probation service to provide him with labour via people who were sentenced to community service and apparently gave several of them a love of garden by involving them in his project.
When it was finished he was summoned to Buck house to be given an O.B.E for his efforts.
Not long after he was asked if he would give Germaine a guided tour of the gardens and explain what he had done.
The whole way around the tour he said she was absolutely vile. "why the F*** did you do it like that you stupid c*** ?
Are you f****** retarded you f****** moron, blah blah blah.
A year or so later he was in the restaurant at a local theatre and asked why it seemed very busy that night.
Someone said "Germaine Greer is giving a talk tonight".
He replied " you would have to be mad to pay money hear that vile woman speak".
Woman at the next table leans over and says to him "your not a fan of my sister then". 

I think some of the locals pronounce it Suffering Boredom.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Off topic a but but......a good friend of mine restored a large Victorian garden in Saffron Walden (near where Ms Greer lives apparently), and despite the fact he was past retirement age when he started he did a magnificent job.
He got the local probation service to provide him with labour via people who were sentenced to community service and apparently gave several of them a love of garden by involving them in his project.
When it was finished he was summoned to Buck house to be given an O.B.E for his efforts.
Not long after he was asked if he would give Germaine a guided tour of the gardens and explain what he had done.
The whole way around the tour he said she was absolutely vile. "why the F*** did you do it like that you stupid c*** ?
Are you f****** retarded you f****** moron, blah blah blah.
A year or so later he was in the restaurant at a local theatre and asked why it seemed very busy that night.
Someone said "Germaine Greer is giving a talk tonight".
He replied " you would have to be mad to pay money hear that vile woman speak".
Woman at the next table leans over and says to him "your not a fan of my sister then". 

That is quite witty...

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Off topic a but but......a good friend of mine restored a large Victorian garden in Saffron Walden (near where Ms Greer lives apparently), and despite the fact he was past retirement age when he started he did a magnificent job.
He got the local probation service to provide him with labour via people who were sentenced to community service and apparently gave several of them a love of garden by involving them in his project.
When it was finished he was summoned to Buck house to be given an O.B.E for his efforts.
Not long after he was asked if he would give Germaine a guided tour of the gardens and explain what he had done.
The whole way around the tour he said she was absolutely vile. "why the F*** did you do it like that you stupid c*** ?
Are you f****** retarded you f****** moron, blah blah blah.
A year or so later he was in the restaurant at a local theatre and asked why it seemed very busy that night.
Someone said "Germaine Greer is giving a talk tonight".
He replied " you would have to be mad to pay money hear that vile woman speak".
Woman at the next table leans over and says to him "your not a fan of my sister then". 

I think some of the locals pronounce it Suffering Boredom.

Not exciting like Milton Keynes or Slough then.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Off topic a but but......a good friend of mine restored a large Victorian garden in Saffron Walden (near where Ms Greer lives apparently), and despite the fact he was past retirement age when he started he did a magnificent job.
He got the local probation service to provide him with labour via people who were sentenced to community service and apparently gave several of them a love of garden by involving them in his project.
When it was finished he was summoned to Buck house to be given an O.B.E for his efforts.
Not long after he was asked if he would give Germaine a guided tour of the gardens and explain what he had done.
The whole way around the tour he said she was absolutely vile. "why the F*** did you do it like that you stupid c*** ?
Are you f****** retarded you f****** moron, blah blah blah.
A year or so later he was in the restaurant at a local theatre and asked why it seemed very busy that night.
Someone said "Germaine Greer is giving a talk tonight".
He replied " you would have to be mad to pay money hear that vile woman speak".
Woman at the next table leans over and says to him "your not a fan of my sister then". 

Oh yes, she is known to be a fiery, nasty individual when she gets going and that is just one of the reasons you do not hear about her too much these days.  If she does not agree with something that is contrary to her point of view, stand back and watch her firebrand reputation come out.

As a women I support her stance on women's liberation, but she can go too far.  Not many men on here, especially Opti, could be in the same room on here as she places men into a stereotype form and, for instance, classes all men as rapists and controllers of women that we should break free off.  She could be right on that one!

But her views on transgendered women have placed her outside of modern thinking.

[STEMO]

Off topic a but but......a good friend of mine restored a large Victorian garden in Saffron Walden (near where Ms Greer lives apparently), and despite the fact he was past retirement age when he started he did a magnificent job.
He got the local probation service to provide him with labour via people who were sentenced to community service and apparently gave several of them a love of garden by involving them in his project.
When it was finished he was summoned to Buck house to be given an O.B.E for his efforts.
Not long after he was asked if he would give Germaine a guided tour of the gardens and explain what he had done.
The whole way around the tour he said she was absolutely vile. "why the F*** did you do it like that you stupid c*** ?
Are you f****** retarded you f****** moron, blah blah blah.
A year or so later he was in the restaurant at a local theatre and asked why it seemed very busy that night.
Someone said "Germaine Greer is giving a talk tonight".
He replied " you would have to be mad to pay money hear that vile woman speak".
Woman at the next table leans over and says to him "your not a fan of my sister then". 

Oh yes, she is known to be a fiery, nasty individual when she gets going and that is just one of the reasons you do not hear about her too much these days.  If she does not agree with something that is contrary to her point of view, stand back and watch her firebrand reputation come out.

As a women I support her stance on women's liberation, but she can go too far.  Not many men on here, especially Opti, could be in the same room on here as she places men into a stereotype form and, for instance, classes all men as rapists and controllers of women that we should break free off.  She could be right on that one!

But her views on transgendered women have placed her outside of modern thinking.

I'd just punch her in the face and have done with it, silly old cow 

[Lizzie Zoom]

For those interested on here (which is doubtful given the content and the 99.9% of men on here) this is an interesting article:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/09/germaine-greer-on-rape-book-three-women-respond

 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

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Wot u doin scouser?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

http://https://youtu.be/7B8Q6D4a6TM

Sigh....As old Lizzie has dug up Germaine Greer again.

Apparently Kirsty has sagging tits according to Ms. Greer.

I disagree with GG on almost everything because I like women to be feminine cute and submissive rather than hairey-arsed, gobby, and strident like her.

 She is right on this point though.......although she is rarely allowed to speak these days simply because she believes a man can not be a woman.

[STEMO]

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Wot u doin scouser?

Same as you, yokel