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[zirk]

Petition: Do not implement proposed new offences for vehicle "tampering"

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/600954

[dave the builder]

I thought that 100.000 votes meant it must be debated BUT ...
"At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament"

[STEMO]

I thought that 100.000 votes meant it must be debated BUT ...
"At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament"

The fireworks and animals one is at 970,000... still no sign of a debate.

[Doctor Gollum]

Sounds much like the RPM Act in the US.

Yet another excuse to raise money in the name of the environment...

But you can say good bye to the aftermarket industry.

[Keith ABS]

Already signed

[Sir Tigger KC]

I have a feeling that this proposal is spawned from an EU directive banning modifications and customisations. 

There was a similar proposal in France a couple of years ago specifically aimed at motorbikes and French bikers took to the streets en mass (as they do) grinding Paris to a halt. 

I'm not sure what happened after that, but I think the proposal was quietly dropped. 

Signed! 

[Lizzie Zoom]

More State control when there are many far more other vital criminal offences to be dealt with by the police.

Signed!

[Raeturbo]

Signed

[grifter]

Signed

Therefore, as vehicles become increasingly automated, we want to prevent alterations to a vehicle’s integral software and sensing technologies which could create safety and security risks.

Could have told VW that lol!

Any legislative proposals taken forward will be carefully defined so they do not prevent vehicle owners or businesses from making legitimate modifications to vehicles

What's a "legitimate modification"?

Also, how do they intend to police this? Going to turn up on people's driveway on a Sunday afternoon and tell them to put those original wheels back on or something?

[Doctor Gollum]

Presumably a legitimate modification is one that is either factory approved/option or adaptation for a purpose... Van conversions/disability controls etc. As opposed to stretched tyres or egr deletes/piggyback ecus.

Noise and emissions are already on the V5, so easy enough to police on the MOT. Likewise the wheel and tyre fitments. Engine type/number versus the V5/registered details. A V8 conversion might be considered legitimate as long as the cats function and the engine number matches the V5... Current testing is based on the vehicle age, so modified vehicles over a certain age may have an easier time of it

The RPM Act is largely targeting independent aftermarket programmers/chip and ecu modifications rather than 'official' tuning companies such as Holley. Presumably companies such as Holley have the R and D budgets to ensure emission compliance.

[Kevin Wood]

We'd be better off policing the rules we currently have than adding new.

Plenty of bell ends round here emitting a noise level "unreasonably above the noise level you’d expect from a similar vehicle with a standard silencer", and as for some of the camber angles ans stretched tyre fitments.

Good job my kit car emits precisely "the noise level you’d expect from a similar vehicle with a standard silencer".

[Lizzie Zoom]

We'd be better off policing the rules we currently have than adding new.

Plenty of bell ends round here emitting a noise level "unreasonably above the noise level you’d expect from a similar vehicle with a standard silencer", and as for some of the camber angles ans stretched tyre fitments.

Good job my kit car emits precisely "the noise level you’d expect from a similar vehicle with a standard silencer".

The police have not the Traffic Division resources to even police something simple and obvious; number plates, with many cars going around with non-standard, non-approved ones.  So as I implied before,  any proposed laws against "tampering" are going to be difficult to police with other far more important criminal offences to follow up on

At the moment its drink / drug driving and drug dealing that are, rightly, the big targets for police

[YZ250]

Reading the proposal, it appears to be aimed at DPF removal/hollowing out and anything that affects emissions rather than bolt on chav parts.
Although not related to emissions, this has just reminded me of a modification I witnessed a few years back. A car pulled out of a side road in front of me and accelerated away, but rapidly came to a halt when the front of the vehicle nose dived. Both front wheels had fallen off simultaneously. I stopped to help and quickly realised that he'd fitted wheel spacers without the longer hub bolts. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Non standard wheel sizes affect the emissions as they potentially increase the amount of energy to rotate wider tyres... Presumably the grip from the additional grip creates an increased drag requiring more fuel

Look at any new car sales literature and the emissions bracket often changes with optional wheels...

[YZ250]

Non standard wheel sizes affect the emissions as they potentially increase the amount of energy to rotate wider tyres... Presumably the grip from the additional grip creates an increased drag requiring more fuel

Look at any new car sales literature and the emissions bracket often changes with optional wheels...

Fair point, I hadn't looked at it that way.