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[JamesV6CDX]

Hi guys & girls,

We are all aware that Danny's "professional" LPG install has been causing him a headache from day one and he is, quite rightly, sick to the back teeth of it.

When I visited Danny and spent a day looking at this,  I was horrified. I've never seen such a bodge job cowboy install in all my life.

I rectified many faults with it - but unfortunately in the time I had didn't have the ability to sort everything out and investigate the few last issues.

Therefore, in the spirit of the Forum, can we please set something up, to Give Danny a hand getting this running?

Kevin - you spring to mind as you and I have done a few conversions now, both working together and alone. Maybe as suggested in another thread by someone, we could get together and see what we can do for Danny?

If that's the case - Danny - would you be able to bring the car to somewhere mutally acceptable for us all?

Free dates are quite difficult due to other commitments but I am prepared to try my best. No payment required from me, it would just be good to nail it.  

[Lazydocker]

I'm more than willing to stick my 2p in too if needed James, although I'm a bit further away!!  I might be able to trundle down and tie it in with a visit to family if the timings permit...

Failing that. If the rip out route is taken I have a good manifold which could be put back on

[JamesV6CDX]

I'm more than willing to stick my 2p in too if needed James, although I'm a bit further away!!  I might be able to trundle down and tie it in with a visit to family if the timings permit

Any experience is welcome I'm sure

[Lazydocker]

I'm more than willing to stick my 2p in too if needed James, although I'm a bit further away!!  I might be able to trundle down and tie it in with a visit to family if the timings permit

Any experience is welcome I'm sure

I must confess that the majority of the LPG experience I have is with a simple mixer system but having converted mine I feel there may be something a spare pair of eyes may spot which is easily missed :-/ :-/

Have you actually got hold of a copy of the software and a lead so you can see what is really going on??

[JamesV6CDX]

I'm more than willing to stick my 2p in too if needed James, although I'm a bit further away!!  I might be able to trundle down and tie it in with a visit to family if the timings permit

Any experience is welcome I'm sure

I must confess that the majority of the LPG experience I have is with a simple mixer system but having converted mine I feel there may be something a spare pair of eyes may spot which is easily missed :-/ :-/

Have you actually got hold of a copy of the software and a lead so you can see what is really going on??

Yep, been through the software with a toothcomb

[Lazydocker]

I'm more than willing to stick my 2p in too if needed James, although I'm a bit further away!!  I might be able to trundle down and tie it in with a visit to family if the timings permit

Any experience is welcome I'm sure

I must confess that the majority of the LPG experience I have is with a simple mixer system but having converted mine I feel there may be something a spare pair of eyes may spot which is easily missed :-/ :-/

Have you actually got hold of a copy of the software and a lead so you can see what is really going on??

Yep, been through the software with a toothcomb

Bu66er... There was me hoping it'd be something simple like injector size

[Danny]

because i'm a reserve at work, i dont know when i ever have any free time up until literally days before (cant even guarantee this tuesday off for a day out for my brother's girlfriends birthday )

if it's at all possible that you'd be available on a given date, i'm sure there'd be no problem with you working on it without me being here if i cant get the time off

my own choice would be to rip out the LPG and patch up as good as possible, on hearing that lazydocker actually has a manifold spare, then give James the LPG kit for what i consider to be an absolute bargain at say £10,000 and have a fresh manifold put on

I would also want the auto gearstick surround replacing as thats where they've put the filler gauge, then the only patching is the boot floor i think

[Markie]

slightly of tangent.....

I know of your issues but not the lead up to this due to my lack of OOFing recently, but if its such a bad install is there not a possiblity of going back to the installer?

Probably been done i guess?  :-/

[davlad22]

because i'm a reserve at work, i dont know when i ever have any free time up until literally days before (cant even guarantee this tuesday off for a day out for my brother's girlfriends birthday )

if it's at all possible that you'd be available on a given date, i'm sure there'd be no problem with you working on it without me being here if i cant get the time off

my own choice would be to rip out the LPG and patch up as good as possible, on hearing that lazydocker actually has a manifold spare, then give James the LPG kit for what i consider to be an absolute bargain at say £10,000 and have a fresh manifold put on

I would also want the auto gearstick surround replacing as thats where they've put the filler gauge, then the only patching is the boot floor i think

I'd take em up on it Danlad! Kev and James are the boys for the job and would be great if you could make a success story of it all!

[Lazydocker]

slightly of tangent.....

I know of your issues but not the lead up to this due to my lack of OOFing recently, but if its such a bad install is there not a possiblity of going back to the installer?

Probably been done i guess?  :-/

'Fraid so Markie... It's really a case of not trusting them anywhere near it TBH. From what James has said this really was a bad job from a (so called) professional, LPGA approved installer.

my own choice would be to rip out the LPG and patch up as good as possible

Don't be too hasty Danny... If there's the slightest chance it can be gotten running properly then you'll be better to try that

on hearing that lazydocker actually has a manifold spare, then give James the LPG kit for what i consider to be an absolute bargain at say £10,000 Grin and have a fresh manifold put on

The manifold was originally going to be "donated" to the OOF LPG conversion "team" to help other people with their conversions but as I've had no requests for it so far you are welcome to it if it comes to that.

Incidentally James, did you get as far as seeing where the nozzles were located on his manifold? From what I understand it's only an idle problem so just thinking it could be a flow rate issue? :-/

[Kevin Wood]

My understanding was that the LPG ECU is not getting a decent RPM signal from the main ECU. Sounds like it could be a 5 minute fix if lucky or the LPGA approved muppets have somehow destroyed the RPM input on the LPG ECU if unlucky.

I would be happy to help, and if the geography of the problem was such that it was going to be an hour or two one evening, that would be no problem. Unfortunately it sounds like a whole weekend and I'm conscious that I have already promised to help a couple of other members and failed to come up with the time required.

Kevin

[Lazydocker]

My understanding was that the LPG ECU is not getting a decent RPM signal from the main ECU. Sounds like it could be a 5 minute fix if lucky or the LPGA approved muppets have somehow destroyed the RPM input on the LPG ECU if unlucky.

I would be happy to help, and if the geography of the problem was such that it was going to be an hour or two one evening, that would be no problem. Unfortunately it sounds like a whole weekend and I'm conscious that I have already promised to help a couple of other members and failed to come up with the time required.

Kevin

Just a quick thought on this... It could be a couple of very simple things! Have they taken the correct RPM feed from the ECU firstly as I believe there are 2 potential sources but one of them is too weak.

Secondly, and more likely I would have thought, has the RPM detection voltage been set correctly?

Or, and I think this is unlikely but, could the whole problem be down to a dodgy crank sensor? Perhaps on its last legs?

Just a few meandering thoughts!

James/Danny, I could still potentially help out with having a look, and tie it in with a family visit but time is a bit tight at the moment!!

[JamesV6CDX]

My understanding was that the LPG ECU is not getting a decent RPM signal from the main ECU. Sounds like it could be a 5 minute fix if lucky or the LPGA approved muppets have somehow destroyed the RPM input on the LPG ECU if unlucky.

I would be happy to help, and if the geography of the problem was such that it was going to be an hour or two one evening, that would be no problem. Unfortunately it sounds like a whole weekend and I'm conscious that I have already promised to help a couple of other members and failed to come up with the time required.

Kevin

Just a quick thought on this... It could be a couple of very simple things! Have they taken the correct RPM feed from the ECU firstly as I believe there are 2 potential sources but one of them is too weak.

Secondly, and more likely I would have thought, has the RPM detection voltage been set correctly?

Or, and I think this is unlikely but, could the whole problem be down to a dodgy crank sensor? Perhaps on its last legs?

Just a few meandering thoughts!

James/Danny, I could still potentially help out with having a look, and tie it in with a family visit but time is a bit tight at the moment!!

I've had all of these meandering thoughts too mate - and I've checked them out.

The RPM signal is coming from the green wire on the ECU connector, which is where we have always taken it from.

Crank sensor - it's perfect on petrol, so doubt it's on it's last legs

And yes, the voltage was set properly. As above, I've been through the setup thoroughly.

That said - I am not one to be beaten, so would be very keen to meet up and have another look - logistics permitting

[Lazydocker]

My understanding was that the LPG ECU is not getting a decent RPM signal from the main ECU. Sounds like it could be a 5 minute fix if lucky or the LPGA approved muppets have somehow destroyed the RPM input on the LPG ECU if unlucky.

I would be happy to help, and if the geography of the problem was such that it was going to be an hour or two one evening, that would be no problem. Unfortunately it sounds like a whole weekend and I'm conscious that I have already promised to help a couple of other members and failed to come up with the time required.

Kevin

Just a quick thought on this... It could be a couple of very simple things! Have they taken the correct RPM feed from the ECU firstly as I believe there are 2 potential sources but one of them is too weak.

Secondly, and more likely I would have thought, has the RPM detection voltage been set correctly?

Or, and I think this is unlikely but, could the whole problem be down to a dodgy crank sensor? Perhaps on its last legs?

Just a few meandering thoughts!

James/Danny, I could still potentially help out with having a look, and tie it in with a family visit but time is a bit tight at the moment!!

I've had all of these meandering thoughts too mate - and I've checked them out.

The RPM signal is coming from the green wire on the ECU connector, which is where we have always taken it from.

Crank sensor - it's perfect on petrol, so doubt it's on it's last legs

And yes, the voltage was set properly. As above, I've been through the setup thoroughly.

That said - I am not one to be beaten, so would be very keen to meet up and have another look - logistics permitting

I thought you'd probably checked it all but the mind started wandering!!

We'll have to try and co-ordinate a brainstorming session

[Danny]

if it can be made to run correctly then it should be worth a decent amount more, which should cover whatever i'd need to pay you all!!

as said, original fitters are not trustworthy, and have upset a few people, not just me

i'm hoping it'll be cost effective in the long run, i really cant afford to lose any more money on it, so if i have to pay £250 in expenses to people to come fix it and only sell it for £250 more than it is now, then it'll do for me, there are no other reputable garages around here apart from one in bolton, who refused to touch it