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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #15 on: 31 May 2024, 18:47:18 »

I haven't followed it too closely apart from gently reminding my Trump hating mates who crow that he's going to jail, that Stormy Daniels is not exactly someone of high morals and shouldn't be considered a reliable witness.  ::)

You would think though that someone like Trumpy would have enough 'off books' cash and the ability to quietly pay a whore off without any comeback, so he's either as stupid as the haters say he is or he's telling the truth and it's a put up job to stop him running in the election.  ???

Given that the allegations of Biden family corruption are much worse than Trump quietly paying a whore off, I'm inclined to believe the latter.
He's not stupid, he's arrogant. Well....maybe a bit stupid as well. ;D

Yes he arrogantly and stupidly thought he could beat America's Deep State in their court.  :)

What about the appeal?  Will it happen before or after the election?  ???
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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #16 on: 31 May 2024, 18:59:13 »

Not convinced that it actually matters tbh ;)
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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #17 on: 31 May 2024, 19:11:20 »

Guilty on all counts and as soon as the verdict was announced his popularity rating skyrocketed!! Sentencing should be interesting as he could get 4 yrs however I'm told that such cases usually get a probationary sentence.So if he gets sent down it's political[and let's face the DA who led the prosecution was elected into office with a promise to see Trump sent down]and if he gets probation it's a fix.
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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #18 on: 31 May 2024, 19:32:32 »

I haven't followed it too closely apart from gently reminding my Trump hating mates who crow that he's going to jail, that Stormy Daniels is not exactly someone of high morals and shouldn't be considered a reliable witness.  ::)

You would think though that someone like Trumpy would have enough 'off books' cash and the ability to quietly pay a whore off without any comeback, so he's either as stupid as the haters say he is or he's telling the truth and it's a put up job to stop him running in the election.  ???

Given that the allegations of Biden family corruption are much worse than Trump quietly paying a whore off, I'm inclined to believe the latter.
He's not stupid, he's arrogant. Well....maybe a bit stupid as well. ;D

Yes he arrogantly and stupidly thought he could beat America's Deep State in their court.  :)

What about the appeal?  Will it happen before or after the election?  ???
Deep state  ;D ;D ;D

Did he manage to put a stop to the pizza eating paedophiles when he was head honcho?
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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #19 on: 01 June 2024, 18:15:27 »

Stormy Daniels is not exactly someone of high morals
Sounds like music to Lord Opti's ears, I bet he'd shag it....
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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #20 on: 01 June 2024, 18:20:38 »

If he hasnt already.  ;D
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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #21 on: 01 June 2024, 20:40:41 »

Why wouldn’t you? She’s probably good at her job😁
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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #22 on: 01 June 2024, 22:27:47 »

Why wouldn’t you? She’s probably good at her job😁

Yes helluva rack as well! Fair play.  :)
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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #23 on: 01 June 2024, 22:55:17 »

Heard on the tellybox tonight that he had $50 million in donations in the 24 hours after the verdict.  ;D
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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #24 on: 01 June 2024, 23:41:37 »

I thought he'd probably walk on these charges, but from what I'm reading, guilty on all 34 counts.

He f*ucked then paid a porn star to keep her quiet. He then lied about how the payment was 'documented'....

How do they get 34 counts out of that.......3 or 4 seems closer to the mark.... ::) ::) ::)

34 counts is one count for each individual document referring to a payment to Daniels.  https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-found-guilty-on-all-34-counts-of-falsifying-business-records-heres-a-breakdown-211334652.html. Each count by the way carries a maximum sentence of 4 years hence the 136 year maximum sentence talked about (won't happen of course).

I'm certainly not a Trump fan but there are several odd things about the case:

1) I can't find out how the judge was appointed and who by.  It is the same judge who found the Trump Organisation guilty of over-stating its office space recently.  He definitely wasn't randomly selected for this case.
2) The judge is technically conflicted - he donated funds to the democrats, although trivial amounts it is still a breach of judicial rules.
3) The crime is falsification of business records which is a misdemeanor-level offense in New York, punishable by a fine. However, because Trump falsified the records in a bid to violate federal election laws the crimes have been elevated to felonies. Normally state-level courts like New York do not have the jurisdiction to try felonies (federal crimes).  So it is odd that the case didn't go to a federal court.  As Trump says only 6% of New Yorkers support him.
4) It is odd that the judge ruled that the prosecution did not have to identify exactly which election laws have been broken.  Presumably it is claimed that monies were spent on Daniels that should have been accounted for in the restricted budget for election campaigns, i.e. breach of election spending limits.  However trump could have spent (further) thouands on teeth whitening, that could be said to be money spent in furtherance of his campaign in excess of the campaign budget and hidden from the campaign accounts but it wouldn't stand up in court.  The judge refused this line of argument.
5) The judge also refused the line of argument that the case is “novel, unusual, or unprecedented” although it unarguably is.  There is no other similar case.
6) The judge refused the line of argument that this is unfairly directed at Trump.  Weirdly in US law even if you are guilty of something, if others get away with it all the time and you have been picked on unfairly, the prosecution can be thrown out even though you did it.  Such 'Selective Prosecution' is very rarely proven  admittedly but should the judge have dismissed any discussion of this?
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Re: Trump guilty
« Reply #25 on: 02 June 2024, 10:58:48 »

It’s so blatantly a carve up and you must ask yourself, would there be such an obvious campaign to get someone out of being president again if it wasn’t him? All he did was shag around and try to hide it technically, even if the payments were misdirected, she’s the one that should be locked up for not honouring the deal. Bloody bint. That’s true no matter if you like him or not💁🏿‍♂️
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