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[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

On the bright side - The SNP can now make use of that campervan, by holding their party conference in it. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

On the bright side - The SNP can now make use of that campervan, by holding their party conference in it. 

'Progressive loons' deserve everything they get.

Male rapist in the women's prison.

Hate crime legislation ( in reality a cull on free speech)  The stuff of Orwellian big brother 1984.

[Doctor Gollum]

On the bright side - The SNP can now make use of that campervan, by holding their party conference in it. 

'Progressive loons' deserve everything they get.

Male rapist in the women's prison.

Hate crime legislation ( in reality a cull on free speech)  The stuff of Orwellian big brother 1984.

And Alec 'the fish' Salmon didn't get a single seat for Alba. I think they've finally banged a hole in the independence drum.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Now 5 seats for Reform.

[Nick W]

So, 0.9% of the results in, and Labour are 6/6.

However, 5 of those are moot as they're seat that they've held. Whilst the outcome is the same, it isn't quite the same thing as a gain.

Looking at it, in outright numbers: I suspect Reform will see more votes this time than Labour managed last time, and Labour will receive less votes this time than Conservatives last time.

So:
Reform to exceed 10,300,000.
Labour to not exceed 13,966,000.
Conservatives to fail to reach 9,000,000.

Well...

Labour 9,686,329
Reform 4,092,209
Conservative 6,814,650

In the immortal words of Jim Steinmann/Meatloaf... Two outta three ain't bad. But it's hardly a ringing endorsement of Labour.

Under a different system, we could have woken to a Conservative/Reform coalition.

The 'problem' reason is that Reform(or whatever they're calling themselves this week) have never had a national strategy because they've always been a bunch of mismatched independents standing under one name.  So instead of concentrating like Lib Dems on winnable seats, they dumped a load of candidates throughout the country and diluted - or eliminated - previous majorities that had a lot in common with their stated policies while getting less than 1% of Labour's MPs.


That's what happened in my constituency:
Reform 9989
Conservative 1169
Labour 13689,


whereas the previous Conservative MP had a majority of 18540. There was a boundary change which does affect the figures, but this has been a safe Conservative seat for a while.


You should not, at least if you're honest or competent, use just numbers to prove a national point either; look at the deliberately humiliating result for Liz Truss considering her previously untouchable majority, or the predictable result of Jeremy Corbin standing as an independent in his long held seat. It's also interesting to note how badly previous contenders for the Conservative leadership did - Mordaunt, Shapps, Reese-Mogg together with other senior ministers.


Sunak's time as leader is over; they just need to find another sucker, and I doubt it will be long before there's a bye-election as he tries to quietly slip away to more profitable employment.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

So, 0.9% of the results in, and Labour are 6/6.

However, 5 of those are moot as they're seat that they've held. Whilst the outcome is the same, it isn't quite the same thing as a gain.

Looking at it, in outright numbers: I suspect Reform will see more votes this time than Labour managed last time, and Labour will receive less votes this time than Conservatives last time.

So:
Reform to exceed 10,300,000.
Labour to not exceed 13,966,000.
Conservatives to fail to reach 9,000,000.

Well...

Labour 9,686,329
Reform 4,092,209
Conservative 6,814,650

In the immortal words of Jim Steinmann/Meatloaf... Two outta three ain't bad. But it's hardly a ringing endorsement of Labour.

Under a different system, we could have woken to a Conservative/Reform coalition.

The 'problem' reason is that Reform(or whatever they're calling themselves this week) have never had a national strategy because they've always been a bunch of mismatched independents standing under one name.  So instead of concentrating like Lib Dems on winnable seats, they dumped a load of candidates throughout the country and diluted - or eliminated - previous majorities that had a lot in common with their stated policies while getting less than 1% of Labour's MPs.


That's what happened in my constituency:
Reform 9989
Conservative 1169
Labour 13689,


whereas the previous Conservative MP had a majority of 18540. There was a boundary change which does affect the figures, but this has been a safe Conservative seat for a while.


You should not, at least if you're honest or competent, use just numbers to prove a national point either; look at the deliberately humiliating result for Liz Truss considering her previously untouchable majority, or the predictable result of Jeremy Corbin standing as an independent in his long held seat. It's also interesting to note how badly previous contenders for the Conservative leadership did - Mordaunt, Shapps, Reese-Mogg together with other senior ministers.


Sunak's time as leader is over; they just need to find another sucker, and I doubt it will be long before there's a bye-election as he tries to quietly slip away to more profitable employment.

I hear that Rishi is worth £800M......which is possibly twice or three times what you are worth.

I doubt he'll need to sign on.

[Doctor Gollum]

UKIP stood as a separate party so not sure where the confusion with Reform stems from

[Varche]

Braverman for next Conservative leader?

Rishi already booked his flight to the USA to write his boook, do after dinner speeches and hold a few “board  jobs” ?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Braverman for next Conservative leader?

Rishi already booked his flight to the USA to write his boook, do after dinner speeches and hold a few “board  jobs” ?

At least the woeful Tory party are the next opposition rather than the woke Libdems.

What opposition would the LD's be to a Labour goverment......virtually none.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Under a different system, we could have woken to a Conservative/Reform coalition.

We would have woken up to chaos as both Labour and the Tories tried to cobble together coalitions or support agreements with the smaller but broadly aligned parties.

The Dutch have had to wait seven and a half months for a new government to be formed after their elections and the man who won the election Geert Wilders has been frozen out as the others refused to work with him, despite the mandate he got from the people. 

Meanwhile while the horse trading has gone on behind closed doors, Mark Rutte the incumbent PM has carried on in a caretaker role, but I guess no important decisions have been taken since the election. 

At least Sir Starmer has rolled his sleeves up and got down to work this afternoon appointing his cabinet and the business of government has carried on smoothly.  Although he knocked off half an hour ago to play with the kids! 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Braverman for next Conservative leader?

Rishi already booked his flight to the USA to write his boook, do after dinner speeches and hold a few “board  jobs” ?

At least the woeful Tory party are the next opposition rather than the woke Libdems.

What opposition would the LD's be to a Labour goverment......virtually none.

This was my greatest fear to be honest. 

Although as Liz Truss found out, Sir Starmer may well find that the Bank of England is most effective opposition he has to deal with. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Under a different system, we could have woken to a Conservative/Reform coalition.

We would have woken up to chaos as both Labour and the Tories tried to cobble together coalitions or support agreements with the smaller but broadly aligned parties.

The Dutch have had to wait seven and a half months for a new government to be formed after their elections and the man who won the election Geert Wilders has been frozen out as the others refused to work with him, despite the mandate he got from the people. 

Meanwhile while the horse trading has gone on behind closed doors, Mark Rutte the incumbent PM has carried on in a caretaker role, but I guess no important decisions have been taken since the election. 

At least Sir Starmer has rolled his sleeves up and got down to work this afternoon appointing his cabinet and the business of government has carried on smoothly.  Although he knocked off half an hour ago to play with the kids! 

I wonder how ' Mad Dog Lammy' will get on with a Trump administration should it happen?

Not well, I imagine.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Under a different system, we could have woken to a Conservative/Reform coalition.

We would have woken up to chaos as both Labour and the Tories tried to cobble together coalitions or support agreements with the smaller but broadly aligned parties.

The Dutch have had to wait seven and a half months for a new government to be formed after their elections and the man who won the election Geert Wilders has been frozen out as the others refused to work with him, despite the mandate he got from the people. 

Meanwhile while the horse trading has gone on behind closed doors, Mark Rutte the incumbent PM has carried on in a caretaker role, but I guess no important decisions have been taken since the election. 

At least Sir Starmer has rolled his sleeves up and got down to work this afternoon appointing his cabinet and the business of government has carried on smoothly.  Although he knocked off half an hour ago to play with the kids! 

I wonder how ' Mad Dog Lammy' will get on with a Trump administration should it happen?

Not well, I imagine.

This will be interesting. There are a whole host of Labour politicians who from the opposition benches took every opportunity to slag Trumpy off left, right and centre. 

I guess from the Government benches they will have to zip it, especially the front benchers.  They will find this challenging! 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I suspect Trump will just refuse to have anything to do with him. 

[redelitev6]

I notice our beloved former leader Boris is strangely silent