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[Doctor Gollum]

Seconded.

The trouble is no one in charge actually has the gumption to do what's required.

[Rangie]

I do not usual make political comment on here now, but I have noted all of your sentiments which I have great sympathy for.  But I would ask one question..................

"So, as a SOLUTION that recognises we are a democracy, respecter of human rights, are not a Nazi, Russian or Chinese type state, and do not kill men, women and children deliberately, like slashing the boats out in the English Channel and watching them drown, if you were legally in charge of the UK, and legally responsible for the actions of our Government, what would YOU do?   No, what really would you do as an answer to, in fact, a worldwide issue to stop illegal immigration?

What I always say should happen.  And don't just stop at the illegal immigrants either, there are an awful lot of Brits that need adding to the list.  The country is stupidly overpopulated, and we're losing our ability to feed our country ourselves as each day passes, with ever more agricultural land repurposed to house the growing population.

But if I'm not allowed to cull people, I'd remove all benefits that makes the UK so attractive.  Lets be frank, no matter how left some people's views may be, even the Corbynites must realise there simply aren't enough rich individuals or organisations to cover the welfare spending, and we can't just keep borrowing forever.  The benefits system should, at most, cover short term those that unexpectedly fall on hard times, not be a career choice.

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Totally agree 100 percent, if only there was someone who had the balls to do this it would certainly help putting the UK back on track but it won't happen in my lifetime.

[Sir Tigger KC]

From an article in today's Telegraph by Daniel Hannan.

Consider, one more time, some of the statistics.

Around 3,000 people a day are signed off as too sick to work. The total number of claimants is forecast by the government to go from 3.3 million to 4.1 million by the end of this parliament.

According to the NHS Confederation, in 2021-22, 63,392 people went straight from university onto long-term sickness benefits.

The fastest rise is among 25- to 34-year-olds, an incredible increase of 69 per cent in five years. (Incredible in every sense: such a sudden and cataclysmic explosion in disability would surely be visible on the streets.)

In Birmingham, one in four working-age adults is inactive. One. In. Four. Even at the height of the Great Depression, the proportion in our second city never rose so high. Then, mass worklessness was treated as the most important challenge facing the nation; now, we barely notice.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/reform-welfare-or-failed-state-britain-only-choice/

[Lizzie Zoom]

From an article in today's Telegraph by Daniel Hannan.

Consider, one more time, some of the statistics.

Around 3,000 people a day are signed off as too sick to work. The total number of claimants is forecast by the government to go from 3.3 million to 4.1 million by the end of this parliament.

According to the NHS Confederation, in 2021-22, 63,392 people went straight from university onto long-term sickness benefits.

The fastest rise is among 25- to 34-year-olds, an incredible increase of 69 per cent in five years. (Incredible in every sense: such a sudden and cataclysmic explosion in disability would surely be visible on the streets.)

In Birmingham, one in four working-age adults is inactive. One. In. Four. Even at the height of the Great Depression, the proportion in our second city never rose so high. Then, mass worklessness was treated as the most important challenge facing the nation; now, we barely notice.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/reform-welfare-or-failed-state-britain-only-choice/

Ah, Sir Tigger, you have now got to the hub of the issue

It is not just the small boat issue, but a far, far bigger challenge;  the issue of what “our own” people are up to. Not a lot many would argue!.  Just look at the NHS.  It is run by very good people originally from abroad.  When I was in hospital all staff were from across the planet!  The doctors, nurses, porters, down to the cleaners.

Then I was in my dentists the other day, where all the medical staff were from Asia and other foreign lands.  Only the receptionists were orginally from Britain!

Then, of course, the regular one is the nail bars and car wash outlets; all run by those from all over the World.

Then there is the Amazon delivery staff, who are all of a “foreign” background, almost without exception!

So where are our youngsters?  Obviously many are actively in work, but as the figures suggest so many are just on their backsides, making excuses why they are not fit to work and taking welfare payments.  50 to 60 years ago that was not the case as we left school knowing we had to work. We had the work ethic drummed into us by our parents.  What the fk is happening now?!!

No, it is not the boat people we should be worrying about, but our own!!

Now I could get very politically right wing, but I will leave that to others

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Boat people - tow the boats back to France and drop them off.
If the French want a fight over it, well they need to remember history.

Young Brits who think the country owes them a living without them having to get out of bed - starve them into a job.
If they claim to be disabled. Tell them Stephen Hawking was the most disabled person you could ever see, and he worked all his life.
99% of people are capable of doing something.

[Varche]

Boat people - tow the boats back to France and drop them off.
If the French want a fight over it, well they need to remember history.

Young Brits who think the country owes them a living without them having to get out of bed - starve them into a job.
If they claim to be disabled. Tell them Stephen Hawking was the most disabled person you could ever see, and he worked all his life.
99% of people are capable of doing something.

Gets my vote. The French are just operating a taxi service. They should be questioning the prospective ( now punctured) boat people and bussing them back to the EU country they arrived in.for asylum processing. Imagine the Frogs if boat people arrived in the UK and gangs smuggled them to France. I wonder what their response would be.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Boat people - tow the boats back to France and drop them off.
If the French want a fight over it, well they need to remember history.

Young Brits who think the country owes them a living without them having to get out of bed - starve them into a job.
If they claim to be disabled. Tell them Stephen Hawking was the most disabled person you could ever see, and he worked all his life.
99% of people are capable of doing something.

Gets my vote. The French are just operating a taxi service. They should be questioning the prospective ( now punctured) boat people and bussing them back to the EU country they arrived in.for asylum processing. Imagine the Frogs if boat people arrived in the UK and gangs smuggled them to France. I wonder what their response would be.

It would certainly be a much more robust response than our useless spineless political and governing classes can muster. 

At the very least they would demand that Britain take back all illegal immigrants that arrived by dinghy from England, and I've little doubt that the UK Govt would agree to do it without so much as a whimper. 

I've seen the occasional report of the odd migrant trying to get back to France when they find life in Britain is not for them, only to be caught and stopped by the British authorities.    I think one stole a canoe and tried to paddle back to France. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Lizzie, you miss the point. We're paying for both the workshy AND the boat people.

We can't support our workshy let alone everyone else.

And this is actually bourne out by the figures Steve mentioned...

3,000 people a day plus 3,000 people a day arriving expecting everything on a plate actually equates to 6,000 people a day. Stopping the boats halves the problem. Instantly.

It's not about being racist... If people want to come here legally, contribute fully to society both in work and taxes then that's to be celebrated and welcomed.

The trouble is, the people arriving by boat are largely scavengers and vermin. Much like the workshy.

[Doctor Gollum]

It would appear the the French police have started splashing boats as they're launched.

Finally some robust action.

[Sir Tigger KC]

It would appear the the French police have started splashing boats as they're launched.

Finally some robust action.

Splashing boats?  That'll do the trick! 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I suspect its a publicity stunt that wont last.
We shall see.

If the NHS ( for example) needs people from abroad then of course they should be allowed to come, and should be allowed to work on a rolling work visa.
Then if at some point their services are no longer needed then they should return to where they came from.
Thats how most of the rest of the world do it.
As for car washes, nail bars and suchlike.
Most of them either employ illegal immigrants on the black market, or actually use them as slave labour.
Then theres the countless "Turkish" barbers which have spread across the country.
Very few customers in most of them, but it doesnt matter because they are simply fronts for money laundering for organised crime groups, mainly dealing in class A drugs.
These problems and the problems of mass worklessness all stem from the same thing.
Naive left wing thinking, which unfortunately has infested the corridors of power throughout the country, (and the wider Western world) and is in the process of destroying it.
Im afraid I believe we have past the point of no return.

[Varche]

Class A drugs. One of the huge problems here is the ingress of drugs. Either by sheer volume so the odd million pounds worth seized at container ports isn’t more than an inconvenience to a drug lord OR by ever more sophisticated deliveries eg single use two man 1 tonne of cocaine across the Atlantic. 60,000 euros was the going rate for police chief to Not have police patrolling a part of the river at Seville to make drop off easier…..

[Raeturbo]

Simple fact is the boat people who come here illegally are criminals, they are trying to kill each other even on the trip over here, heaven help us when they expand their foothold further we will be afraid to go out the door unarmed, (well some will) they have no right to be here and all our resources from picking them up halfway across to actually taking care of them and housing them (hotels etc) far far better than the veterans and others that have and are putting their lives on the line for this country for a pittance. Just to add when it Finally goes tits up who the hell do you think they’re going to fight for, they certainly will not be on the frontline defending our country.

[Raeturbo]

Just to add…
https://apple.news/AgSRWxhUQQLmcQkUsfmH2fA

[Rangie]

Simple fact is the boat people who come here illegally are criminals, they are trying to kill each other even on the trip over here, heaven help us when they expand their foothold further we will be afraid to go out the door unarmed, (well some will) they have no right to be here and all our resources from picking them up halfway across to actually taking care of them and housing them (hotels etc) far far better than the veterans and others that have and are putting their lives on the line for this country for a pittance. Just to add when it Finally goes tits up who the hell do you think they’re going to fight for, they certainly will not be on the frontline defending our country.

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They are total scum all of them, I was walking through Spalding a few days ago and one who was obviously a parasite was staring at my watch ( worth about £3000) just try it pal I thought to myself and you will need serious hospital treatment.