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[Marks DTM Calib]

Interesting one this and some good images and coverage if you are into that sort of thing.

When I visited the US earlier in the year I was surprised then to see MD11s still in use for cargo, and sadly one has gone down.

Some interesting shots of the wing on fire and an engine sat at the side of the runway!

[LC0112G]

Interesting one this and some good images and coverage if you are into that sort of thing.

When I visited the US earlier in the year I was surprised then to see MD11s still in use for cargo, and sadly one has gone down.

Some interesting shots of the wing on fire and an engine sat at the side of the runway!

Lots of old jets get used for cargo. There are hardly any Boeing 747's left in passenger service, but lots have been converted to cargo and still trog around the skies. MD-11's are quite popluar because they have very long range and lots of cargo space. Not into civvy, but there were still DC-8's and Electras being used not that long ago.

Cargo jets tend to operate into different airports than passeneger ones, so the public don't tend to notice these older jets. East Midlands Airport is one such cargo hub in the UK.

[TheBoy]

East Midlands Airport is one such cargo hub in the UK.

I believe Mr DTM's favourite airport, and not just because it's on his doorstep

[Doctor Gollum]

The MD11 is a turd of an aircraft, just like the DC10 it's based on. It is a decent size aircraft and can carry a fair amount of weight, so makes a good freighter. Doesn't have a particularly good safety record though.

[Kevin Wood]

Horrendous crash. Clearly a serious uncontained engine failure or something similar. I feel for the crew and anyone in its path on the ground. Once that hit V1 their fate was sealed and they just got to watch it unfold before them.

[Doctor Gollum]

The only saving grace is that they didn't suffer it for long

[Kevin Wood]

The only saving grace is that they didn't suffer it for long

.. and that it was full of Amazon packages not passengers and more crew.

[Doctor Gollum]

The only saving grace is that they didn't suffer it for long

.. and that it was full of Amazon packages not passengers and more crew.

True enough 

[Doctor Gollum]

https://youtu.be/mHW6HaS5mnc?si=J9lPvMZ_FTofaAd2

They've not mentioned a bird strike, but...

https://youtu.be/UvftcahcYsY?si=2sfMhxgDdmuH7X4k

Not the ATC recording of the actual incident but it does include the ATIS information for Louisville at the time which includes mention of increased bird activity.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Its interesting that it ejected the main section (less the fan) of the port engine, claims that you can then see the tail engine flame out.

So you are now in a world of an engine cavity on fire and down to less than a third of the thrust.

[Kevin Wood]

It would take quite a bird strike to rip an engine off its pylon and dump it by the runway, but it's not impossible that one started the whole chain of events, I suppose.
 

[TheBoy]

I assume that cargo aircraft are subject to the same fairly stringent maintenance and safety checks of passenger jets?  If so, and that it was actually done, would that point more towards the mass bird strike DG hinted at?  Perhaps with a catastrophic failure of the first engine causing it to become detached from the wing, and then enough damage to stop the rear engine?

Or debris from the first failure (caused by birds or an unfortunate mechanical failure) causing damage to the rear engine?

[Kevin Wood]

One problem with the Trijet configuration is that No. 2's intake is prone to ingesting disturbed air / debris if anything happens to 1 & 3, especially after rotation when the wing is working hard.

With that amount of fire, engine thrust might have been moot, however. I wonder if there would have been enough left of the wing structure for it to remain controllable for a go-around even if it had climbed away.

Thoughts of the AF Concorde crash come to mind.