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Computer Question - Hard Drive Connection
« on: 06 October 2008, 20:36:29 »

Sata versus Pata (IDE)

Ide being 40/80 pin cables and Sata being a lot less.  Are there any known issues with Data tranfer.  Is one connection proved to be any more reliable than annother.

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Re: Computer Question - Hard Drive Connection
« Reply #1 on: 06 October 2008, 20:37:32 »
Sata is quicker....and will be more reliable as there are fewer connections......
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« Reply #2 on: 06 October 2008, 20:38:30 »
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Sata is quicker....and will be more reliable as there are fewer connections......

And SATA II is quicker still.  Very reliable too
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« Reply #3 on: 06 October 2008, 21:18:17 »
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Sata is quicker....and will be more reliable as there are fewer connections......

Cheers Mark  :y :y
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Re: Computer Question - Hard Drive Connection
« Reply #4 on: 06 October 2008, 21:24:36 »
Speed wise, pretty irrelevent as mechanical speeds not up to PATA speeds.  So it boils down to the controller implementation. And, to be frank, all common 'consumer' based chipsets have crap implementations.  Thats why the OOF server is struggling like it does - crap mobo raid implementation.

SATA will scale up better, is the current standard, should prove more reliable, but biggest current advantage is the better airflow due to smaller cables.
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« Reply #5 on: 06 October 2008, 21:32:23 »
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Speed wise, pretty irrelevent as mechanical speeds not up to PATA speeds.  So it boils down to the controller implementation. And, to be frank, all common 'consumer' based chipsets have crap implementations.  Thats why the OOF server is struggling like it does - crap mobo raid implementation.

SATA will scale up better, is the current standard, should prove more reliable, but biggest current advantage is the better airflow due to smaller cables.

yep..IDE cables was easily broken inside and seen many..

and still SCSI(older) , SAS(new) controllers  with built in cache and battery  backup are #1 for speed and transfer rate if you are not using a single disk..
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« Reply #7 on: 06 October 2008, 21:53:23 »
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Speed wise, pretty irrelevent as mechanical speeds not up to PATA speeds.  So it boils down to the controller implementation. And, to be frank, all common 'consumer' based chipsets have crap implementations.  Thats why the OOF server is struggling like it does - crap mobo raid implementation.

SATA will scale up better, is the current standard, should prove more reliable, but biggest current advantage is the better airflow due to smaller cables.

Completely agree on the chipset issue.

Where would I find info regards a lower end set to build myself a server, what are the differences/benfits etc.  With in reason I end up running several programs at once and do lots of data transfer and archieving.

The reason on the Sata v Pata question I have just had a load of data screw up and at first i thought it was a hard drive issue (scandisk seems to show it as restored)(was just showing an empty DIR before - when clicked on the system asked me if I wanted to format the new drive) but I am still struggling to get the data off it.

Seems the problem in the end was the CPU getting far too hot on Saturday night and the data got corrupted during that time.

TIA  :y
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Re: Computer Question - Hard Drive Connection
« Reply #8 on: 06 October 2008, 21:56:25 »
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Heres an example
http://www.directron.com/srcsatawb.html

http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=272676

Cheers Cem

I have some RAID controller cards upstairs some where from Compaq, but they are the scsi sort

Just seen TB's post below.  Contoller cards are Smart Array
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Re: Computer Question - Hard Drive Connection
« Reply #9 on: 06 October 2008, 21:57:20 »
For low cost servers, look at 1 or 2 way Intel server chipsets.  Be aware, many only have a basic sata to run optical drive, having an plugin SAS card as a preference.

For low/mid end disk controllers, look at things like HP SMART Array P400 (but that will only work in certified HP servers, but you get the idea)
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« Reply #11 on: 06 October 2008, 22:06:13 »
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Skruntie,
check this page ..I used them and have no problem..
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-241434-241477-241477-3580655.html

I have an old Compaq ML 370 sat here in the corner.  Only has one CPU in at the moment I got the VRM to add a second one but lost the VRM  ;D ;D ;D ;D

That was quite a while back, down side is the computer is too slow to bother with these days. :-/
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Re: Computer Question - Hard Drive Connection
« Reply #12 on: 06 October 2008, 22:06:22 »
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Skruntie,
check this page ..I used them and have no problem..
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-241434-241477-241477-3580655.html
LOL, trying to buy one for the OOF server, but no dual cores left in country, and I can't stretch to quad core one (on top of SMART card, memory, and disks)...
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« Reply #13 on: 06 October 2008, 22:08:42 »
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check this page ..I used them and have no problem..
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-241434-241477-241477-3580655.html
LOL, trying to buy one for the OOF server, but no dual cores left in country, and I can't stretch to quad core one (on top of SMART card, memory, and disks)...

I can send you  :y
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Re: Computer Question - Hard Drive Connection
« Reply #14 on: 06 October 2008, 22:14:49 »
I have used ML310 and 350 series mostly for external jobs..So far no problem with them..And although their installations seem complicated , in half a day you can finish them..(for SQL server installations )

Other multi CPU monsters that we use in the job, I think its overkill..



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