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Nickbat

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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #30 on: 04 December 2008, 23:06:30 »
Having read through the posts on this subject, one thing becomes patently clear.

We share our secrets with friends, for we trust them. We do not share our secrets with those we do not trust.

There is no doubt that DNA sampling is a boon for the detection of crime. BUT, and this is a very big BUT, we no longer as a society have any trust in either the government or, it saddens me to say, the police. :(

Therefore, it is no wonder that the majority reject the idea of a universal DNA database.

Bring back honest government and a non-politicised police force and I would suggest that there would be wide support for such a database.
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« Reply #31 on: 04 December 2008, 23:09:41 »
Agree, although I seriously doubt an honest government and a un-politicised police force would be pushing for a national DNA database. :y
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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #32 on: 04 December 2008, 23:12:06 »
I can see the objections, as Martin says if they start recording hobbies and defining certain ones as strange (servicing your own car strange, building your own car very strange!) . Before you know it you have 1984, a bit late but....

But what is the alternative ?. How many crooks, murderers have been put away thanks to DNA work ?. Until you come up with a better system I think we have to use what we got.

I think we are only starting to come to terms with the amazing power that technology can give us. The ability to shift dosh around, record months of video, data, people's actions, and amend it,  would give any self respecting meglomaniac dreams of world domination. Trouble is when you look at the people controlling all this, and their actions in the houses of parliament, you think..........

  
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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #33 on: 04 December 2008, 23:17:06 »
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Having read through the posts on this subject, one thing becomes patently clear.

We share our secrets with friends, for we trust them. We do not share our secrets with those we do not trust.

There is no doubt that DNA sampling is a boon for the detection of crime. BUT, and this is a very big BUT, we no longer as a society have any trust in either the government or, it saddens me to say, the police. :(

Therefore, it is no wonder that the majority reject the idea of a universal DNA database.

Bring back honest government and a non-politicised police force and I would suggest that there would be wide support for such a database.

Yes great idea, but where do we get one of those ?. Every politician has his/her agenda, and you need some control/influence over the police force.

If we could improve values in our society, make working for a living fashionable again, then crime would hopefully decrease and we wouldn't need a database. Or am I living in pipe dream land again ?.

Ken
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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #34 on: 04 December 2008, 23:22:03 »
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 and you need some control/influence over the police force.
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US style ellected po-lis chief?  :-/
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« Reply #35 on: 04 December 2008, 23:27:07 »
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 and you need some control/influence over the police force.
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US style ellected po-lis chief?  :-/


Andy B's got a point. The police and armed forces are, I thought, ultimately answerable ONLY to HM the Queen, not to any political administration. Thus, in theory, we should never fall into a state of dictatorship (e.g. if a government passes a law to give itself an unending term of office, the Queen could theoretically say "No"). Have I got that constitutionally correct?
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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #36 on: 04 December 2008, 23:32:23 »
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I can see the objections, as Martin says if they start recording hobbies and defining certain ones as strange (servicing your own car strange, building your own car very strange!) . Before you know it you have 1984, a bit late but....

But what is the alternative ?. How many crooks, murderers have been put away thanks to DNA work ?. Until you come up with a better system I think we have to use what we got.

I think we are only starting to come to terms with the amazing power that technology can give us. The ability to shift dosh around, record months of video, data, people's actions, and amend it,  would give any self respecting meglomaniac dreams of world domination. Trouble is when you look at the people controlling all this, and their actions in the houses of parliament, you think..........

  
Ken


Very likely to be criminalised :o
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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #37 on: 04 December 2008, 23:36:11 »
Yes, but when's the last time HM told Gorden he was making a mess and its was time to leave ?.

Isn't it time this country updated its method of government ?. The Queen still goes to open parliament, and that chap still has to bang on the door. Haven't they heard of electric door bells?.

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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #38 on: 04 December 2008, 23:41:55 »
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Yes, but when's the last time HM told Gorden he was making a mess and its was time to leave ?.

Isn't it time this country updated its method of government ?. The Queen still goes to open parliament, and that chap still has to bang on the door. Haven't they heard of electric door bells?.

Ken

Isn't that "cold calling". Whoops, wrong thread!!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #39 on: 04 December 2008, 23:44:36 »
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Yes, but when's the last time HM told Gorden he was making a mess and its was time to leave ?.

Isn't it time this country updated its method of government ?. The Queen still goes to open parliament, and that chap still has to bang on the door. Haven't they heard of electric door bells?.

Ken

Isn't that "cold calling". Whoops, wrong thread!!  ;D ;D ;D

 ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :y
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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #40 on: 04 December 2008, 23:45:40 »
Double glazing anyone ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #41 on: 05 December 2008, 00:03:33 »
Can anyone clarify this forum - i thought it was Omega Owners NOT  the Daily Mail Sheeple coral :( >:( :o

"think of the children" wail of the desperate
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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #42 on: 05 December 2008, 00:09:20 »
constructive thoughtful debate always welcome. ::) ::) ::)

Just read on the BBC website "A dissident comedian serving a 59 year jail sentence in Burma has been moved to a remote prison"
This is what can happen when freedom and the democratic checks and balances of a free society are eroded,which is why it is good to be suspicious of the intentions of leaders, rather than just trust their judgement.We may be a long way from this,but we are also a long way from where we were 30 or 40 years ago,somewhere in between imo.
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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #43 on: 05 December 2008, 00:36:55 »
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Can anyone clarify this forum - i thought it was Omega Owners NOT  the Daily Mail Sheeple coral :( >:( :o

"think of the children" wail of the desperate

You're now in 'general chat'! Tha can discuss owt tha wants t' 'ere .... ;)
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Re: A common sense strike on the 'police state'
« Reply #44 on: 05 December 2008, 00:38:42 »
Freedom of speech and all that. :y
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