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Re: Hunt The Boeing!!
« Reply #30 on: 15 December 2008, 07:46:36 »

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just tryed that wingdings thing. spooky. also if the twin towers wasnt a cover up then they were the only buildings EVER constructed to collapse naturally within their own footprint.

But the way they were built was unusual, with the outer walls designed to take the floor weight, along with a central core, and with metal beams holding the floors in place between these.

No other columns were in between these two supporting frames, so when the jet fuel burned at, I believe, up to 2000 degrees c. it buckled the metal fixings at the ends of the floor beams, with them eventually giving way, and that 1 acre of concrete floor collapsed on the next (weakened) floor down, which couldn't take the weight, and the two floors together fell on the next one down, and so on at an estimated speed of 120mph! :D :D  Both towers where built to the same design so regrettably went the same way!! :( :(

This was anaylised by a team of leading architects who studied the collapse and placed their results on a documentary film. 8-) 8-)

They also have witness statements from firemen/office workers/rescue workers who heard detonations on several floors pre aircraft impact... :o

I personally believe that the american government was at least partially too blame and had some hand in the Towers and the pentagon.

Regards the pentagon...how thick is the concrete walls...and how was such a clean hole ""punched"" through,every aircraft ive flown on seems quiet flimsy in comparison too a reinforced concrete wall.

And whats the best possible way too cover your tracks...make the general public think its so far fetched that you couldn't possibly be involved and make sure anyone who dares point the finger of blame in there direction is humiliated.

Some people are afraid of Islamic terrorists...others are afraid of climate change yet others are concerned about middle east countries wanting nuclear weapon capability.....trust me its not THEM we should fear but America. :-X
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« Reply #31 on: 15 December 2008, 10:20:20 »

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just tryed that wingdings thing. spooky. also if the twin towers wasnt a cover up then they were the only buildings EVER constructed to collapse naturally within their own footprint.

But the way they were built was unusual, with the outer walls designed to take the floor weight, along with a central core, and with metal beams holding the floors in place between these.

No other columns were in between these two supporting frames, so when the jet fuel burned at, I believe, up to 2000 degrees c. it buckled the metal fixings at the ends of the floor beams, with them eventually giving way, and that 1 acre of concrete floor collapsed on the next (weakened) floor down, which couldn't take the weight, and the two floors together fell on the next one down, and so on at an estimated speed of 120mph! :D :D  Both towers where built to the same design so regrettably went the same way!! :( :(

This was anaylised by a team of leading architects who studied the collapse and placed their results on a documentary film. 8-) 8-)

They also have witness statements from firemen/office workers/rescue workers who heard detonations on several floors pre aircraft impact... :o

I personally believe that the american government was at least partially too blame and had some hand in the Towers and the pentagon.

Regards the pentagon...how thick is the concrete walls...and how was such a clean hole ""punched"" through,every aircraft ive flown on seems quiet flimsy in comparison too a reinforced concrete wall.

And whats the best possible way too cover your tracks...make the general public think its so far fetched that you couldn't possibly be involved and make sure anyone who dares point the finger of blame in there direction is humiliated.

Some people are afraid of Islamic terrorists...others are afraid of climate change yet others are concerned about middle east countries wanting nuclear weapon capability.....trust me its not THEM we should fear but America. :-X


Sorry, but I think all this conspiracy theory stuff is 99% codswallop. There may be some aspects of the Pentagon crash which have not been released, but the eyewitness accounts here confirm that the 757 did crash into the building:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77penta03.html#p3

As regards the statement "and how was such a clean hole ""punched"...", this aircraft was being flown clean (i.e no flaps, gear up) at around 500mph. That should answer your question.

It is a fact that these aircracft were hijacked by terrorists and flown by them. To suggest that the US government was behind the attacks is simply too barmy for words...as too is the suggestion that the we should be more afraid of the US than radical islamists.  :o :o ::) :(

  
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Re: Hunt The Boeing!!
« Reply #32 on: 15 December 2008, 12:26:51 »

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Sorry, but I think all this conspiracy theory stuff is 99% codswallop. There may be some aspects of the Pentagon crash which have not been released, but the eyewitness accounts here confirm that the 757 did crash into the building:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77penta03.html#p3

As regards the statement "and how was such a clean hole ""punched"...", this aircraft was being flown clean (i.e no flaps, gear up) at around 500mph. That should answer your question.

It is a fact that these aircracft were hijacked by terrorists and flown by them. To suggest that the US government was behind the attacks is simply too barmy for words...as too is the suggestion that the we should be more afraid of the US than radical islamists.  :o :o ::) :(

  

Thanks for that - I'm with you on this one!  

Not sure that it is apposite, but Ockham's Razor comes to mind.  As does the expression "paranoid fantasy".

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cem_devecioglu

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« Reply #33 on: 15 December 2008, 13:37:00 »

          actually, nobody can convince me that those kamikaze's

are that much clever to escape all those security measures (while

some security organizations with a multi billion dollar budget watching

the ceiling  ;D )  stay in US long time  and plan and manage to

destroy the buildings with a coordinated mutliple operation..


        nope..thats beyond their limits without some help..
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« Reply #34 on: 15 December 2008, 13:48:57 »

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         actually, nobody can convince me that those kamikaze's

are that much clever to escape all those security measures (while

some security organizations with a multi billion dollar budget watching

the ceiling  ;D )  stay in US long time  and plan and manage to

destroy the buildings with a coordinated mutliple operation..


        nope..thats beyond their limits without some help..

I hear what you say Cem, but I do not believe in a conspiracy over the Twin Towers at least.  

Remember though that during the cold war, with USAF SAC (Strategic Air Command) they knew their B52 bombers would suffer casulties as they ran in to drop atomic weapons on the main targets in the USSR, as indeed the Russians knew as well with their Great Bear Illusion (don't think I have spelt that correctly) bombers. :o  EDIT: Before the aircraft enthusiasts tell me off:  The Tupolev 95 'Bear' bomber:



However, with all the defence in place it was also known that a percentage of bombers would always get through and hit their targets. :(

On the day the 9/11 bombers could not have been expected to do what they did (but, yes such an attack had featured in a war game as D-Day in Normandy had for the Germans in 1944!) but they were lucky and hit three of their apparent four targets that day.  The failed attempt was of course the White House, but that plane ended up in a field! :(

I just think of the SAS motto; He who Dares Wins! 8-) 8-)
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« Reply #35 on: 15 December 2008, 14:05:18 »

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         actually, nobody can convince me that those kamikaze's

are that much clever to escape all those security measures (while

some security organizations with a multi billion dollar budget watching

the ceiling  ;D )  stay in US long time  and plan and manage to

destroy the buildings with a coordinated mutliple operation..


        nope..thats beyond their limits without some help..

I hear what you say Cem, but I do not believe in a conspiracy over the Twin Towers at least.  

Remember though that during the cold war, with USAF SAC (Strategic Air Command) they knew their B52 bombers would suffer casulties as they ran in to drop atomic weapons on the main targets in the USSR, as indeed the Russians knew as well with their Great Bear Illusion (don't think I have spelt that correctly) bombers. :o

However, with all the defence in place it was also known that a percentage of bombers would always get through and hit their targets. :(

On the day the 9/11 bombers could not have been expected to do what they did (but, yes such an attack had featured in a war game as D-Day in Normandy had for the Germans in 1944!) but they were lucky and hit three of their apparent four targets that day.  The failed attempt was of course the White House, but that plane ended up in a field! :(

I just think of the SAS motto; He who Dares Wins! 8-) 8-)


Lizzie,

   an eastern man will think widely different than a western..

what happened in 9/11 was beyond the ability , capacity and

behaviour model of an eastern terrorist..even beyond their dreams..

    
      if they attack those buildings with rockets or bombs thats

probable..but not hijacking many airplains full of civil passengers and

using them as a kamikaze..


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also I must note that if those people plan to make an attack their #1

target will be a different country in middle east region..And I can bet

on that subject..

How I'm that much sure is another subject..But really I'm sure..
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stuart30

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« Reply #36 on: 16 December 2008, 20:47:19 »

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just tryed that wingdings thing. spooky. also if the twin towers wasnt a cover up then they were the only buildings EVER constructed to collapse naturally within their own footprint.

But the way they were built was unusual, with the outer walls designed to take the floor weight, along with a central core, and with metal beams holding the floors in place between these.

No other columns were in between these two supporting frames, so when the jet fuel burned at, I believe, up to 2000 degrees c. it buckled the metal fixings at the ends of the floor beams, with them eventually giving way, and that 1 acre of concrete floor collapsed on the next (weakened) floor down, which couldn't take the weight, and the two floors together fell on the next one down, and so on at an estimated speed of 120mph! :D :D  Both towers where built to the same design so regrettably went the same way!! :( :(

This was anaylised by a team of leading architects who studied the collapse and placed their results on a documentary film. 8-) 8-)

They also have witness statements from firemen/office workers/rescue workers who heard detonations on several floors pre aircraft impact... :o

I personally believe that the american government was at least partially too blame and had some hand in the Towers and the pentagon.

Regards the pentagon...how thick is the concrete walls...and how was such a clean hole ""punched"" through,every aircraft ive flown on seems quiet flimsy in comparison too a reinforced concrete wall.

And whats the best possible way too cover your tracks...make the general public think its so far fetched that you couldn't possibly be involved and make sure anyone who dares point the finger of blame in there direction is humiliated.

Some people are afraid of Islamic terrorists...others are afraid of climate change yet others are concerned about middle east countries wanting nuclear weapon capability.....trust me its not THEM we should fear but America. :-X


Sorry, but I think all this conspiracy theory stuff is 99% codswallop. There may be some aspects of the Pentagon crash which have not been released, but the eyewitness accounts here confirm that the 757 did crash into the building:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77penta03.html#p3

As regards the statement "and how was such a clean hole ""punched"...", this aircraft was being flown clean (i.e no flaps, gear up) at around 500mph. That should answer your question.

It is a fact that these aircracft were hijacked by terrorists and flown by them. To suggest that the US government was behind the attacks is simply too barmy for words...as too is the suggestion that the we should be more afraid of the US than radical islamists.  :o :o ::) :(

  

Thats just my point mate...its so ludicrous it cant possibly be true.

Remember when the world was flat....what the worlds round na thats so ridiculous it cant be true.

See what i mean..... ;)

Hmmm 500mph at what...roughly 10 feet....yeah ok. ;D
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« Reply #37 on: 16 December 2008, 21:09:20 »

if you examine the series of events (taking into consideration the gulf war also)  after 9/11 this scenario is not that ridiculous..
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« Reply #38 on: 16 December 2008, 21:50:44 »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the planes that hit the towers were supposedly passenger airliners, yet footage of the 2nd plane shows no side windows. More like a cargo

And the most laughable finds of all...in the rubble of the collapsed towers..the passport of one of the hijackers.  :-?  Hello !!! 2,000 degrees to melt the steel frame work...and a passport miraculously survives.  

Fair play tho, they've got their priorities sorted. Never mind getting as many hands as possible to help the injured etc. Nope, let's concentrate on confiscating all CCTV footage from every camera (even shops) along the flight path of the "plane" that hit the Pentagon...within hours. 100's of agents out gathering "evidence".  

Personally I think certain elements of the American Govt are the most corrupt, devious and ruthless of any.
JFK, 9/11...I was going to say "what next ?" but I think people are getting a little too near the truth.  I suspect they're gonna think very carefully before another "Extremist" incident of this scale happens.

Yes, I believe the attacks were genuine terrorist "plans"...that were un-hindered, helped along, allowed to happen.
How much time was allowed to pass without any jets being scrambled when the planes left their scheduled flight course ?

There's no conspiracy...it's too blatantly obvious to be called that.
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« Reply #39 on: 16 December 2008, 22:41:59 »

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the planes that hit the towers were supposedly passenger airliners, yet footage of the 2nd plane shows no side windows. More like a cargo

And the most laughable finds of all...in the rubble of the collapsed towers..

Fair play tho, they've got their priorities sorted. Never mind getting as many hands as possible to help the injured etc. Nope, let's concentrate on confiscating all CCTV footage from every camera (even shops) along the flight path of the "plane" that hit the Pentagon...within hours. 100's of agents out gathering "evidence".  

Personally I think certain elements of the American Govt are the most corrupt, devious and ruthless of any.
JFK, 9/11...I was going to say "what next ?" but I think people are getting a little too near the truth.  I suspect they're gonna think very carefully before another "Extremist" incident of this scale happens.

Yes, I believe the attacks were genuine terrorist "plans"...that were un-hindered, helped along, allowed to happen.
How much time was allowed to pass without any jets being scrambled when the planes left their scheduled flight course ?

There's no conspiracy...it's too blatantly obvious to be called that.

1. Both planes that hit the towers were civilian and hijacked while on  scheduled routes.

2. Fires do not burn uniformly, whatever their heat output. Also, it is highly likely that upon impact, the hijacker's body was catapulted, shredded and exited the building (he would not have been strapped in, methinks). I believe tons of recognisable bits were pulled from the aftermath. To find the terrorist's passport is not unlikely at all.

3. The attack was not assisted. The US had believed itself to be invulnerable to such attacks and the suddenness and coordinated nature of the attack left it stunned like a rabbit in headlights. Also, to this day, there is much argument as to the correct response to such an event. Do you shoot the hijacked aircraft down to save lives on the ground? Maybe there are contingency plans now, but within the short time of the duration of the attack, it is inconceivable that a response policy could have been decided.

Taking up Cem's point, there have been numerous attempts at air hijackings by "eastern" terrorists (especially during the 1970s0. The fascination with using aircraft is well known, since to the terroroists they represent the country they intend attacking, whatever the aircraft's location. To suggest that the 9/11 attacks were "beyond the ability, capacity and behaviour model of an eastern terrorist..even beyond their dreams" is frankly strange. The attackers were well used to western ways, they wanted to attack the US on its own land, and they wanted to die martyrs' deaths. The fact that the attacks were so meticulously planned (even down the attackers' lengthy flying lessons) does not mean that they were not the work of eastern terrorists. Al Qaeda is known to be a sophisticated, well financed organisation. They're not hill-billies.

Enough of this thread, already. 9/11 was a terrorist act unrelated to the US government. End of, as they say.  :(      
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« Reply #40 on: 16 December 2008, 22:59:19 »

...and before you go on a night out, the pixies & fairies at the bottom of your garden polish your shoes when you're down getting a few tenners off the money tree ?

You'll be telling us Father Christmas isn't real next.

I think we'll just agree to disagree.  ;)
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« Reply #41 on: 17 December 2008, 13:50:54 »

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the planes that hit the towers were supposedly passenger airliners, yet footage of the 2nd plane shows no side windows. More like a cargo

And the most laughable finds of all...in the rubble of the collapsed towers..

Fair play tho, they've got their priorities sorted. Never mind getting as many hands as possible to help the injured etc. Nope, let's concentrate on confiscating all CCTV footage from every camera (even shops) along the flight path of the "plane" that hit the Pentagon...within hours. 100's of agents out gathering "evidence".  

Personally I think certain elements of the American Govt are the most corrupt, devious and ruthless of any.
JFK, 9/11...I was going to say "what next ?" but I think people are getting a little too near the truth.  I suspect they're gonna think very carefully before another "Extremist" incident of this scale happens.

Yes, I believe the attacks were genuine terrorist "plans"...that were un-hindered, helped along, allowed to happen.
How much time was allowed to pass without any jets being scrambled when the planes left their scheduled flight course ?

There's no conspiracy...it's too blatantly obvious to be called that.

1. Both planes that hit the towers were civilian and hijacked while on  scheduled routes.

2. Fires do not burn uniformly, whatever their heat output. Also, it is highly likely that upon impact, the hijacker's body was catapulted, shredded and exited the building (he would not have been strapped in, methinks). I believe tons of recognisable bits were pulled from the aftermath. To find the terrorist's passport is not unlikely at all.

3. The attack was not assisted. The US had believed itself to be invulnerable to such attacks and the suddenness and coordinated nature of the attack left it stunned like a rabbit in headlights. Also, to this day, there is much argument as to the correct response to such an event. Do you shoot the hijacked aircraft down to save lives on the ground? Maybe there are contingency plans now, but within the short time of the duration of the attack, it is inconceivable that a response policy could have been decided.

Taking up Cem's point, there have been numerous attempts at air hijackings by "eastern" terrorists (especially during the 1970s0. The fascination with using aircraft is well known, since to the terroroists they represent the country they intend attacking, whatever the aircraft's location. To suggest that the 9/11 attacks were "beyond the ability, capacity and behaviour model of an eastern terrorist..even beyond their dreams" is frankly strange. The attackers were well used to western ways, they wanted to attack the US on its own land, and they wanted to die martyrs' deaths. The fact that the attacks were so meticulously planned (even down the attackers' lengthy flying lessons) does not mean that they were not the work of eastern terrorists. Al Qaeda is known to be a sophisticated, well financed organisation. They're not hill-billies.

Enough of this thread, already. 9/11 was a terrorist act unrelated to the US government. End of, as they say.  :(      



"On September 7, 2001 I left Dulles Airport in northern Virginia on an Air France flight
en route to Europe. 9/11 itself overtook me in Berlin. Because of the time difference, I
learned of the terror attacks in the afternoon. I immediately concluded that the events of
that day, because of their scope, complexity, and technical precision, could not have been
possible without the massive complicity of a faction of the US political and military
command structure. This is what the US taxpayers were paying $40 billion a year for! It
was also clear to me that the goal of this operation was a new world war on a vast scale –
something along the lines of the Thirty Years’ War of 1618-1648, which killed about a
third of the population of central Europe. In the intentions of its planners, this new
conflict was to be a population war, designed to exterminate large parts of the population
of the developing sector, including the Arab and Moslem countries, and eventually
China. It was the desperate bid of a bankrupt and declining power to re-assert world
domination based on blackmail. It was a world-historical turn towards disaster"

please read when you have time

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2005/07/317436.pdf
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« Reply #42 on: 17 December 2008, 14:01:07 »

indymdeia is well known as being rubbish
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« Reply #43 on: 17 December 2008, 14:04:17 »

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indymdeia is well known as being rubbish

I'm reading the book in detail..dont seem rubbish though..
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