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[pscocoa]

I like the concept of "Dynamic" applied to the Fiat Panda.

[Jay w]

So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?

My understanding something on the lines of Company Director

Lizzy the E in GTE and GSE was always German for Injection = Einspritzung

Italian Convertibles are not referred to as cabriolets or convertibles, they are referred to as Spiders

GTV = Gtande Tourismo Veloce
GTA = Grande Tourismo Arpeggio

Sorry Jay, but not on the GTE's I knew, because they didn't have injectors but carburetors, hence they were Grand Tourer Executives, "Executive" being the key word in the late 1970s and 1980 Thatcher Britain, like "Executive Houses"; "Executive Hotel Rooms", etc, we had "Executive cars" to reflect our 'status'.

It may well be that later, in Germany the 'E' meant something else, but not on the American based Ford cars like MKIII Cortina's and especially the earlier famous Cortina Mk2 1600E, ("Executive") with carburetor.

EDIT:  If you have any doubt about that historical fact Jay, go to:

http://www.fordcortina.org.uk/cortinapage2.htm


 

the Cotinta 1600E was just that, it was an Executive, yes i agree, but there was never reference to the E being a GT car, whilst it had some GT spec

But GT/E or GS/E was not used until the late 70's/early 80's by GM/Opel/Vauxhall, and they were injected cars, the E being Injection in German

[Lizzie_Zoom]

So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?

CD   = Civil Diplomat

CDX = Civil Diplomat Extra


This came into vogue with Vauxhall in the 1980s when they thought "Executive" had been over used, and "Diplomat" (Carlton) then CD, "Civil Diplomat" on later Carltons / Senators was far more 'upmarket'

[Lizzie_Zoom]

So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?

My understanding something on the lines of Company Director

Lizzy the E in GTE and GSE was always German for Injection = Einspritzung

Italian Convertibles are not referred to as cabriolets or convertibles, they are referred to as Spiders

GTV = Gtande Tourismo Veloce
GTA = Grande Tourismo Arpeggio

Sorry Jay, but not on the GTE's I knew, because they didn't have injectors but carburetors, hence they were Grand Tourer Executives, "Executive" being the key word in the late 1970s and 1980 Thatcher Britain, like "Executive Houses"; "Executive Hotel Rooms", etc, we had "Executive cars" to reflect our 'status'.

It may well be that later, in Germany the 'E' meant something else, but not on the American based Ford cars like MKIII Cortina's and especially the earlier famous Cortina Mk2 1600E, ("Executive") with carburetor.

EDIT:  If you have any doubt about that historical fact Jay, go to:

http://www.fordcortina.org.uk/cortinapage2.htm


 

the Cotinta 1600E was just that, it was an Executive, yes i agree, but there was never reference to the E being a GT car, whilst it had some GT spec

But GT/E or GS/E was not used until the late 70's/early 80's by GM/Opel/Vauxhall, and they were injected cars, the E being Injection in German

Why then Jay does VW and Mercedes Benz designate their cars with a "i" for injection, i.e. GTi or CDi, and the E Class stands for "Executive" in their promotional material if "E" always stands for injection?

You are also missing my point that cars have only over the last two decades been progressively becoming totally fuel injected, before then they were not, they had carburetors, but to sell them to up and coming business managers (like me at the time ) they carried the "E" for "Executive" at least in Britain.

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember VW Golf GTE's going around in the late 1970s, early 1980s with carburetors, and later the GTEi was introduced. :-? :-? Whatever,  The "E" in GTE certainly did not refer to injection then, although I concede it may have done in the Mk1 Astra GTE of 1983.

It must not be forgotten of course that GT, GLX, GTE, CD, CDX, etc,  as far as the motor trade go all relate to purely the Trim Level of each car produced by each manufacturer, and even that has varied over the years!

[waspy]

So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?

CD   = Civil Diplomat

CDX = Civil Diplomat Extra


This came into vogue with Vauxhall in the 1980s when they thought "Executive" had been over used, and "Diplomat" (Carlton) then CD, "Civil Diplomat" on later Carltons / Senators was far more 'upmarket'

Thanx Lizzie for putting my wondering at rest, i've been wondering a long time what CD/CDX stood for.

Just for the record & if anyone wants to know. The Rover SD1 actually stood for Specialist Division 1

[Lizzie_Zoom]

So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?

CD   = Civil Diplomat

CDX = Civil Diplomat Extra


This came into vogue with Vauxhall in the 1980s when they thought "Executive" had been over used, and "Diplomat" (Carlton) then CD, "Civil Diplomat" on later Carltons / Senators was far more 'upmarket'

Thanx Lizzie for putting my wondering at rest, i've been wondering a long time what CD/CDX stood for.

Just for the record & if anyone wants to know. The Rover SD1 actually stood for Specialist Division 1

Well that is a good swap of info Pete, because I would not have had a clue about the Rover trim classification. 8-) 8-)

[waspy]

So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?

CD   = Civil Diplomat

CDX = Civil Diplomat Extra


This came into vogue with Vauxhall in the 1980s when they thought "Executive" had been over used, and "Diplomat" (Carlton) then CD, "Civil Diplomat" on later Carltons / Senators was far more 'upmarket'

Thanx Lizzie for putting my wondering at rest, i've been wondering a long time what CD/CDX stood for.

Just for the record & if anyone wants to know. The Rover SD1 actually stood for Specialist Division 1

Well that is a good swap of info Pete, because I would not have had a clue about the Rover trim classification. 8-) 8-)

It wasn't the trim level, basic SD1's just had the engine size on the rear, but there was V8S, SE, Vanden Plas, Vanden Plas EFi, Vitesse, SD Turbo & probably some more that i can't think of at the moment

Edit; S trim level too

[tmx]

Motorsport V6

as most of the Plod Omegas were 3.0V6s and were prepphed by MSD (Motorsport Developments) They also built the Vectra GSi For GM

i thought GLS was Got Lucky Salesman

[Leomas]

I think I'm qualifying for an anorak as this is getting really interesting.

[Jay w]

So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?

My understanding something on the lines of Company Director

Lizzy the E in GTE and GSE was always German for Injection = Einspritzung

Italian Convertibles are not referred to as cabriolets or convertibles, they are referred to as Spiders

GTV = Gtande Tourismo Veloce
GTA = Grande Tourismo Arpeggio

Sorry Jay, but not on the GTE's I knew, because they didn't have injectors but carburetors, hence they were Grand Tourer Executives, "Executive" being the key word in the late 1970s and 1980 Thatcher Britain, like "Executive Houses"; "Executive Hotel Rooms", etc, we had "Executive cars" to reflect our 'status'.

It may well be that later, in Germany the 'E' meant something else, but not on the American based Ford cars like MKIII Cortina's and especially the earlier famous Cortina Mk2 1600E, ("Executive") with carburetor.

EDIT:  If you have any doubt about that historical fact Jay, go to:

http://www.fordcortina.org.uk/cortinapage2.htm


 

the Cotinta 1600E was just that, it was an Executive, yes i agree, but there was never reference to the E being a GT car, whilst it had some GT spec

But GT/E or GS/E was not used until the late 70's/early 80's by GM/Opel/Vauxhall, and they were injected cars, the E being Injection in German

Why then Jay does VW and Mercedes Benz designate their cars with a "i" for injection, i.e. GTi or CDi, and the E Class stands for "Executive" in their promotional material if "E" always stands for injection?

You are also missing my point that cars have only over the last two decades been progressively becoming totally fuel injected, before then they were not, they had carburetors, but to sell them to up and coming business managers (like me at the time ) they carried the "E" for "Executive" at least in Britain.

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember VW Golf GTE's going around in the late 1970s, early 1980s with carburetors, and later the GTEi was introduced. :-? :-? Whatever,  The "E" in GTE certainly did not refer to injection then, although I concede it may have done in the Mk1 Astra GTE of 1983.

It must not be forgotten of course that GT, GLX, GTE, CD, CDX, etc,  as far as the motor trade go all relate to purely the Trim Level of each car produced by each manufacturer, and even that has varied over the years!

the point i was trying to make was, within the GT/E GS/E badge the E denoted it was an injected car, this was a throwback from Opel.

Today that is still used in some instances, however the E class of the Mecedies is a class, by definition an entire model type, not just a sporty edition.

There have been models in the past provided by various car maunfacturers in the 70's that had a E badge on the, Chevette has an ES model, an Economy special, the point with the E=Injection argument was specifically relevant to GT/E and GS/E (both sporty models with the GM range)

VW never did a GTE, they did the the range for the golf was L, GL, GLS, Driver, and GTI. GM had copyright on GTE in the same way VW had it on GTI

If there was a GT/E GS/E badge on any Vauxhall/Opel then it was a fuel injected car, trust me on this one, i worked for Vauxhall throught the 80's and into the 90's   as well as being a big VW and Mini nut during that time as well

 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?

My understanding something on the lines of Company Director

Lizzy the E in GTE and GSE was always German for Injection = Einspritzung

Italian Convertibles are not referred to as cabriolets or convertibles, they are referred to as Spiders

GTV = Gtande Tourismo Veloce
GTA = Grande Tourismo Arpeggio

Sorry Jay, but not on the GTE's I knew, because they didn't have injectors but carburetors, hence they were Grand Tourer Executives, "Executive" being the key word in the late 1970s and 1980 Thatcher Britain, like "Executive Houses"; "Executive Hotel Rooms", etc, we had "Executive cars" to reflect our 'status'.

It may well be that later, in Germany the 'E' meant something else, but not on the American based Ford cars like MKIII Cortina's and especially the earlier famous Cortina Mk2 1600E, ("Executive") with carburetor.

EDIT:  If you have any doubt about that historical fact Jay, go to:

http://www.fordcortina.org.uk/cortinapage2.htm


 

the Cotinta 1600E was just that, it was an Executive, yes i agree, but there was never reference to the E being a GT car, whilst it had some GT spec

But GT/E or GS/E was not used until the late 70's/early 80's by GM/Opel/Vauxhall, and they were injected cars, the E being Injection in German

Why then Jay does VW and Mercedes Benz designate their cars with a "i" for injection, i.e. GTi or CDi, and the E Class stands for "Executive" in their promotional material if "E" always stands for injection?

You are also missing my point that cars have only over the last two decades been progressively becoming totally fuel injected, before then they were not, they had carburetors, but to sell them to up and coming business managers (like me at the time ) they carried the "E" for "Executive" at least in Britain.

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember VW Golf GTE's going around in the late 1970s, early 1980s with carburetors, and later the GTEi was introduced. :-? :-? Whatever,  The "E" in GTE certainly did not refer to injection then, although I concede it may have done in the Mk1 Astra GTE of 1983.

It must not be forgotten of course that GT, GLX, GTE, CD, CDX, etc,  as far as the motor trade go all relate to purely the Trim Level of each car produced by each manufacturer, and even that has varied over the years!

the point i was trying to make was, within the GT/E GS/E badge the E denoted it was an injected car, this was a throwback from Opel.

Today that is still used in some instances, however the E class of the Mecedies is a class, by definition an entire model type, not just a sporty edition.

There have been models in the past provided by various car maunfacturers in the 70's that had a E badge on the, Chevette has an ES model, an Economy special, the point with the E=Injection argument was specifically relevant to GT/E and GS/E (both sporty models with the GM range)

VW never did a GTE, they did the the range for the golf was L, GL, GLS, Driver, and GTI. GM had copyright on GTE in the same way VW had it on GTI

If there was a GT/E GS/E badge on any Vauxhall/Opel then it was a fuel injected car, trust me on this one, i worked for Vauxhall throught the 80's and into the 90's   as well as being a big VW and Mini nut during that time as well

 

Maybe, but I drove them from 1980 to current , and if "E" was as you say for injection on any Vx why was my Cavalier SRi not SRE, or the Carlton GSi not a GSE?? :-? :-?

The "i" is used universally on cars, including German models like VW, Mercedes, BMW to denote "injection", not "E" which  believe me since the late 1960s/1970s,when I started driving, denoted "Executive" on non-injected cars, and as now the GLS, GTE, GL. GT, L, LX, E, etc, etc purely specified the cars trim level, for the sales reasons stated before, and had nothing to do with the engine specification.

You obviously hold to your understanding Jay, but I hold with mine that I have confirmed by going through the internet and checking various manufacturers, enthusiast, and general sites


If you can find a direct reference to "E" being for anything but "Executive" rather than for injection on any American, British or even European car I will be very interested. 8-) 8-)

PS This is a great debate though Jay!

[Jay w]

Maybe, but I drove them from 1980 to current , and if "E" was as you say for injection on any Vx why was my Cavalier SRi not SRE, or the Carlton GSi not a GSE?? :-? :-?

The "i" is used universally on cars, including German models like VW, Mercedes, BMW to denote "injection", not "E" which  believe me since the late 1960s/1970s,when I started driving, denoted "Executive" on non-injected cars, and as now the GLS, GTE, GL. GT, L, LX, E, etc, etc purely specified the cars trim level, for the sales reasons stated before, and had nothing to do with the engine specification.

You obviously hold to your understanding Jay, but I hold with mine that I have confirmed by going through the internet and checking various manufacturers, enthusiast, and general sites


If you can find a direct reference to "E" being for anything but "Executive" rather than for injection on any American, British or even European car I will be very interested. 8-) 8-)

PS This is a great debate though Jay!

Sorry trimmed it down a bit as it was getting a bit big  

In Europe the Cav SRi was an Ascona SR/E, as was the Kadett (Astra) and Corsa (Nova)

Mid to late 80's Vaux were starting the change model range, this was the time when the Cav Mk3 had just been released as the GSi, and the next model Astra Was being called Astra in Europe andf the Kadett name was being dropped.

the prelude to this was Vaux taking some of the sporty badges, this was also because there were a plethora of them on the market and this was Vauxhalls way of standing out from the crowd

Today these badges dont mean as much as they did 20 years ago when fuel injection was still new and was performance oriented, but as you will remember the marketing men were having a field day back then and to develop a badge that had the GTI qudos would have been a licence to print money, 10 years ago it was VVTi systems that were the subject of hupe, today its emmissions, and i bet someone will put a spec-level type badge to that soon.....

We have gone full circle with the E, today it does denote a higher spec, BMW have SE spec cars, and nearly everyone displays an injection car with an 'i' today, but back in the 80's, if it was a GT/E or GS/E then the E meant it was injected

I have a book here that was released to Vauxhall Employees, called 'The Griffin Story' in there it makes reference to it, internet wise i will have a looky as well, as i am sure i have read it somewhere.

As you said, interesting debate with differing views

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Maybe, but I drove them from 1980 to current , and if "E" was as you say for injection on any Vx why was my Cavalier SRi not SRE, or the Carlton GSi not a GSE?? :-? :-?

The "i" is used universally on cars, including German models like VW, Mercedes, BMW to denote "injection", not "E" which  believe me since the late 1960s/1970s,when I started driving, denoted "Executive" on non-injected cars, and as now the GLS, GTE, GL. GT, L, LX, E, etc, etc purely specified the cars trim level, for the sales reasons stated before, and had nothing to do with the engine specification.

You obviously hold to your understanding Jay, but I hold with mine that I have confirmed by going through the internet and checking various manufacturers, enthusiast, and general sites


If you can find a direct reference to "E" being for anything but "Executive" rather than for injection on any American, British or even European car I will be very interested. 8-) 8-)

PS This is a great debate though Jay!

Sorry trimmed it down a bit as it was getting a bit big  

In Europe the Cav SRi was an Ascona SR/E, as was the Kadett (Astra) and Corsa (Nova)

Mid to late 80's Vaux were starting the change model range, this was the time when the Cav Mk3 had just been released as the GSi, and the next model Astra Was being called Astra in Europe andf the Kadett name was being dropped.

the prelude to this was Vaux taking some of the sporty badges, this was also because there were a plethora of them on the market and this was Vauxhalls way of standing out from the crowd

Today these badges dont mean as much as they did 20 years ago when fuel injection was still new and was performance oriented, but as you will remember the marketing men were having a field day back then and to develop a badge that had the GTI qudos would have been a licence to print money, 10 years ago it was VVTi systems that were the subject of hupe, today its emmissions, and i bet someone will put a spec-level type badge to that soon.....

We have gone full circle with the E, today it does denote a higher spec, BMW have SE spec cars, and nearly everyone displays an injection car with an 'i' today, but back in the 80's, if it was a GT/E or GS/E then the E meant it was injected

I have a book here that was released to Vauxhall Employees, called 'The Griffin Story' in there it makes reference to it, internet wise i will have a looky as well, as i am sure i have read it somewhere.

As you said, interesting debate with differing views

Thanks for that Jay.    Yes I would love any further info. on the fascinating subject!  I will keep investigating myself.

[Mr Skrunts]

So, TR6 and TR7?  What does the TR stand for.  Triumph R?

What do they mean

Also the Rover SD1

[Lizzie_Zoom]

So, TR6 and TR7?  What does the TR stand for.  Triumph R?

What do they mean

Also the Rover SD1

CD Pete explained that in the post way above on this page Skruntie as "The Rover SD1 actually stood for Specialist Division 1" .