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[Lizzie_Zoom]

This is one heavy subject, with many interpretations on the history involved, along with the rights and wrongs on both sides.

But do you believe Israel are justified to launch their land offensive today? :-?

Do we care? :-?

I have added a poll to gauge popular public opinion on the oof to aid my political studies.


Thanks!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Poll Question: Do you believe Israel is justified to launch a land offensive today?

[Varche]

Apart from all the unecesary death what I find really hard to stomach is the totally ineffectual UN. Once again they have met (no doubt at great expense) and failed to agree on a STATEMENT. What chance of a agreeing a resolution.

There is little hope for world peace and stability with such a toothless body. Perhaps if the UN met in this instance in a building in the Gaza strip they would be more effective.  Just my tuppence.

varche

[MarkG]

More important is that it won't do any good. It will only inflame the situation.

I often come into contact with Israelis in my line of work. To me their natural characteristic coems across as one of aggression. It applies whether in business or talking about the security situation. You hear it from Israeli polititions as well.  They actually think force will resolve Israel's security problem.
    

[Mr Skrunts]

Voted dont care.  Even if I did my voicing an opinion would not be listed to and they would still do thier own thing.



I vote for the Wombles to over throw the government.  

[Omega man 2]

Bad news for us though as it's pushing up the price of oil again

[theowletman]

None of our business, and as usual religion is the root cause. Same as Iraq / Afghanistan, let them get on with it, we have enough problems of our own.

[theolodian]

None of our business, and as usual religion is the root cause. Same as Iraq / Afghanistan, let them get on with it, we have enough problems of our own.

It's not religion, it's land.  Religion is the excuse and the way to motivate extremism, but the underlying issue is land.

[Entwood]

[soapbox mode = ON]

What annoys me is the blatant hypocrisy of the so called "free press" ... all these reports/film/protests about what is happening to the folks in Gaza .. and insistence that the Israeli stop instantly .... but not a single report about the damage the rockets do, or a protest at Hamas firing rockets indiscriminately.

Why is it OK for Hamas to attack Israel

The politicians say Israel should compromise ....  how do you compromise with someone who wants to kill you ??

"Ah Mr Arab, its OK .. just kill half of us this year and the other half next " is that a good enough compromise

[soapbox mode = OFF]

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Yes you are right Lizzie the Israel/Palestine conflict is not an easy subject to approach.

There is no black and white....right or wrong....good or evil....the whole thing is really an ambiguous grey area.

But if I were to have my opinion............I would say that Israel is far more sinner than sinned against............In my opinion Israel should not be any where near Gaza or any other part of Palestine for that matter, it is not their land and they have occupied it illegally since 1967............with the consent of the USA.

Israel is a Super Power with I believe the 5th most powerful army in the world.....Palestine on the other hand has no air force.........no army........and just a few stone age rockets which they use in an effort to protect what is in my opinion rightfully theirs.

Also............we must remember that Hamas was democratically elected by the Palestinian people......if the Americans do not like that then ........bad luck..........that is what democracy is.

Also the Israeli response is not proportional..........with approximately 1 Jewish death to every 1000 Arab deaths due to the overwhelming military power of a Super Power such as Israel against a poor, virtually undefended stone age country such as Palestine.

What I would like to see is far more condemnation of Israeli bully boy tactics by world leaders...........Foreign Secretary David Miliband has asked for an immediate cease fire, I think he should go further and unreservedly condemn Israeli actions.........On Sky news last night Tony Benn described the Israeli actions as "War Crimes"..........I agree.

I believe that the country of Israel should be allowed to exist.......in peace...............but a lot of the problems they encounter seem to be of their own making.

In summary............Israel more sinner than sinned against.

I think it is a cynical move that Israel have started this invasion while the cretinous George W Bush is still at the helm.

They may be aware that Obama may not be quite as willing to go along with similar Israeli actions.

[theolodian]

Yes you are right Lizzie the Israel/Palestine conflict is not an easy subject to approach.

There is no black and white....right or wrong....good or evil....the whole thing is really an ambiguous grey area.

But if I were to have my opinion............I would say that Israel is far more sinner than sinned against............In my opinion Israel should not be any where near Gaza or any other part of Palestine for that matter, it is not their land and they have occupied it illegally since 1967............with the consent of the USA.

Israel is a Super Power with I believe the 5th most powerful army in the world.....Palestine on the other hand has no air force.........no army........and just a few stone age rockets which they use in an effort to protect what is in my opinion rightfully theirs.

Also............we must remember that Hamas was democratically elected by the Palestinian people......if the Americans do not like that then ........bad luck..........that is what democracy is.

Also the Israeli response is not proportional..........with approximately 1 Jewish death to every 1000 Arab deaths due to the overwhelming military power of a Super Power such as Israel against a poor, virtually undefended stone age country such as Palestine.

What I would like to see is far more condemnation of Israeli bully boy tactics by world leaders...........Foreign Secretary David Miliband has asked for an immediate cease fire, I think he should go further and unreservedly condemn Israeli actions.........On Sky news last night Tony Benn described the Israeli actions as "War Crimes"..........I agree.

I believe that the country of Israel should be allowed to exist.......in peace...............but a lot of the problems they encounter seem to be of their own making.

In summary............Israel more sinner than sinned against.

I think it is a cynical move that Israel have started this invasion while the cretinous George W Bush is still at the helm.

They may be aware that Obama may not be quite as willing to go along with similar Israeli actions.

Ah yes, the armchair experts on righteousness speak.  

[waspy]

None of our business, and as usual religion is the root cause. Same as Iraq / Afghanistan, let them get on with it, we have enough problems of our own.

It's not religion, it's land.  Religion is the excuse and the way to motivate extremism, but the underlying issue is land.

If it's not religion then what's so special about the land :-? Is it rich in some mineral?
I suspect it's down to our religion is better than yours & so we're gona kill you beause of it.
Stick your religion up your arse as far as i'm concerned, it causes more shit

[BigAl]

None of our business, and as usual religion is the root cause. Same as Iraq / Afghanistan, let them get on with it, we have enough problems of our own.

It's not religion, it's land.  Religion is the excuse and the way to motivate extremism, but the underlying issue is land.

If it's not religion then what's so special about the land :-? Is it rich in some mineral?
I suspect it's down to our religion is better than yours & so we're gona kill you beause of it.
Stick your religion up your arse as far as i'm concerned, it causes more shit

I prefer the phrase "my imaginary friend is better that your's"

[Pitchfork]

It is land
Palestinian land stolen & given to Israel by the UK & US in 1947

[Entwood]

It is land
Palestinian land stolen & given to Israel by the UK & US in 1947

A nicely blinkered statement.

The Land of Israel, known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been sacred to the Jewish people since Biblical times. According to the Torah, the Land of Israel was promised to the three Patriarchs of the Jewish people, by God, as their homeland; scholars have placed this period in the early 2nd millennium BCE. According to the traditional view, around the 11th century BCE, the first of a series of Israelite kingdoms and states established rule over the region; these Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently for the following one thousand years. The sites holiest to Judaism are located within Israel.

Between the time of the Israelite kingdoms and the 7th-century Muslim conquests, the Land of Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule. Jewish presence in the region dwindled after the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 CE and the resultant large-scale expulsion of Jews. In 628/9, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius conducted a massacre and expulsion of the Jews, at which point the Jewish population probably reached its lowest point. Nevertheless, a continuous Jewish presence in the Land of Israel remained. Although the main Jewish population shifted from the Judea region to the Galilee, the Mishnah and part of the Talmud, among Judaism's most important religious texts, were composed in Israel during this period. The Land of Israel was captured from the Byzantine Empire around 636 CE during the initial Muslim conquests. Control of the region transferred between the Umayyads, Abbasids, and Crusaders over the next six centuries, before falling in the hands of the Mamluk Sultanate, in 1260. In 1516, the Land of Israel became a part of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled the region until the 20th century.

But then again History means little to a closed mind. If memory serves, the "Palestine" as an area ... actually includes Israel .. in the geographic sense. It is only in recent times that the word has been linked to an attempt to form a "nation"