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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #30 on: 11 January 2009, 23:54:19 »
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cheers guys, sorry for dumping this on your forum but thought it would be more polite that ringing the rossers to get him pulled over.

Forgot to mention, lateish afternoon no lights or actually on the saloon omega, so me and an artic came upon him to see just one single 4inch x 4 inch tail light on the n/s rear, no "on tow" sign either.

Sorry to be a stickler, but I move vehicles around the country so I would like to think I know what I'm on about  :)

ps to the poster regards the difference between a dolly and A frame, dolly has the front end of the disabled vehicle OFF THE ROAD, you're getting confused.

Flasing beacon IS REQUIRED should the vehicle combination be travelling at LESS THAN the traffic flow, he was doing 50 mph in lane one  :y
Rant all yer want, at least it encourages others to be mindfull when towing and who knows you might even learn something  ;D

The minimum speed limit for an amber beacon on either a dual carriageway or motorway is, if I recall correctly, 25 mph....

... and the waggons etc would be limited to 56?  So travelling at 6 mph slower than the regular users in lane one?
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #31 on: 11 January 2009, 23:54:33 »
BTW, welcome Character!  :y

What is your mode of transport?
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #32 on: 11 January 2009, 23:56:29 »
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Not me

Character is right in what he says about A frames-

http://www.ntta.co.uk/faq/default.htm

"An A-frame or dolly can only be used to recover a broken down vehicle to a place of safety. Transporting a car is, therefore, illegal. A-frames may be offered with a braking system that applies the car's brakes. These do not conform to the law as the car then becomes a "braked trailer" and has to conform to European Directives contained within the Construction and Use Regulations. It does not conform to the European Directive 71/320/EEC and amendments regarding braking requirements in any way. The use of this A-frame for transportation is illegal. It is still OK for use to recover a vehicle to a place of safety."

and Note on A-Frames and Dollies, issued by the Department for Transport  see http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/a-frames.shtml


So what about all the big camper vans that tow a small car around with them.......... :-?
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #33 on: 11 January 2009, 23:57:00 »
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cheers guys, sorry for dumping this on your forum but thought it would be more polite that ringing the rossers to get him pulled over.

Forgot to mention, lateish afternoon no lights or actually on the saloon omega, so me and an artic came upon him to see just one single 4inch x 4 inch tail light on the n/s rear, no "on tow" sign either.

Sorry to be a stickler, but I move vehicles around the country so I would like to think I know what I'm on about  :)

ps to the poster regards the difference between a dolly and A frame, dolly has the front end of the disabled vehicle OFF THE ROAD, you're getting confused.

Flasing beacon IS REQUIRED should the vehicle combination be travelling at LESS THAN the traffic flow, he was doing 50 mph in lane one  :y
Rant all yer want, at least it encourages others to be mindfull when towing and who knows you might even learn something  ;D

The minimum speed limit for an amber beacon on either a dual carriageway or motorway is, if I recall correctly, 25 mph....

... and the waggons etc would be limited to 56?  6 mph slower than in lane one?

And Hotel21 knows his onions, because he's a ro**er.... I mean a police officer.  ;) ;) ;D
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #34 on: 11 January 2009, 23:57:34 »
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Character is right in what he says about A frames-

http://www.ntta.co.uk/faq/default.htm

"An A-frame or dolly can only be used to recover a broken down vehicle to a place of safety. Transporting a car is, therefore, illegal. A-frames may be offered with a braking system that applies the car's brakes. These do not conform to the law as the car then becomes a "braked trailer" and has to conform to European Directives contained within the Construction and Use Regulations. It does not conform to the European Directive 71/320/EEC and amendments regarding braking requirements in any way. The use of this A-frame for transportation is illegal. It is still OK for use to recover a vehicle to a place of safety."

and Note on A-Frames and Dollies, issued by the Department for Transport  see http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/a-frames.shtml


So what about all the big camper vans that tow a small car around with them.......... :-?
Illegal unless gross weight of towed car < 750Kg!!
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #35 on: 11 January 2009, 23:58:13 »
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BTW, welcome Character!  :y

What is your mode of transport?
A breakdown truck by chance?
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #36 on: 11 January 2009, 23:59:14 »
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Character is right in what he says about A frames-

http://www.ntta.co.uk/faq/default.htm

"An A-frame or dolly can only be used to recover a broken down vehicle to a place of safety. Transporting a car is, therefore, illegal. A-frames may be offered with a braking system that applies the car's brakes. These do not conform to the law as the car then becomes a "braked trailer" and has to conform to European Directives contained within the Construction and Use Regulations. It does not conform to the European Directive 71/320/EEC and amendments regarding braking requirements in any way. The use of this A-frame for transportation is illegal. It is still OK for use to recover a vehicle to a place of safety."

and Note on A-Frames and Dollies, issued by the Department for Transport  see http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/a-frames.shtml


So what about all the big camper vans that tow a small car around with them.......... :-?
From the link quoted previously...

I have a motor home and want to tow a Fiat Seicento behind it using an A-frame. This car has a kerb weight under 750 kg so am I legal with this outfit? Sorry no is the answer. The law regards this as an unbraked trailer and you are allowed to tow up to 750 kg Gross Trailer Weight, not a car’s kerb weight. The figure you have to use is the car’s Gross Vehicle Weight or Maximum Permitted Weight. This is usually at least 300 - 400 kg more than the kerb weight. We have no knowledge of any car sold in the UK that has a GVW under 750 kg. The only vehicle we know that is completely legal to tow with an A-frame is the French Aixam small "car". This is a full four seater and details can be obtained from Aixam UK on 01926 886100. An A-frame or dolly can only be used to recover a broken down vehicle to a place of safety. Transporting a car is, therefore, illegal. A-frames may be offered with a braking system that applies the car's brakes. These do not conform to the law as the car then becomes a "braked trailer" and has to conform to European Directives contained within the Construction and Use Regulations. It does not conform to the European Directive 71/320/EEC and amendments regarding braking requirements in any way. The use of this A-frame for transportation is illegal. It is still OK for use to recover a vehicle to a place of safety.

What unbraked trailer can I tow? You can tow a maximum of 750 Kg with an unbraked trailer but you cannot exceed half the kerb weight of the towing vehicle. You can tow a trailer with a Gross Weight higher than your car’s towing limit as long as you only load it up to that limit. It is illegal to exceed the car’s towing limit.
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« Reply #37 on: 11 January 2009, 23:59:29 »
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BTW, welcome Character!  :y

What is your mode of transport?
A breakdown truck by chance?

Smarty pants!  ;) ;D ;D ;D

I meant his private transport (could be a Miggy!)  :y
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #38 on: 12 January 2009, 00:00:09 »
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Character is right in what he says about A frames-

http://www.ntta.co.uk/faq/default.htm

"An A-frame or dolly can only be used to recover a broken down vehicle to a place of safety. Transporting a car is, therefore, illegal. A-frames may be offered with a braking system that applies the car's brakes. These do not conform to the law as the car then becomes a "braked trailer" and has to conform to European Directives contained within the Construction and Use Regulations. It does not conform to the European Directive 71/320/EEC and amendments regarding braking requirements in any way. The use of this A-frame for transportation is illegal. It is still OK for use to recover a vehicle to a place of safety."

and Note on A-Frames and Dollies, issued by the Department for Transport  see http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/a-frames.shtml


I rest my case, the towing vehicle didnt look disabled, in fact looked rather nice and clean as if he'd just bought it, the fact that he had additional lights (if not working correctly) goes to show that he oe she might be in the habbit if doing this.

The other point, if the vehicle is being towed on a A frame, then it should also have to RFL as all four wheels are on the highway and insurance, bet you didnt know that one  :)
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #39 on: 12 January 2009, 00:00:13 »
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BTW, welcome Character!  :y

What is your mode of transport?
A breakdown truck by chance?


I suspect, but none the less welcome... :y
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #40 on: 12 January 2009, 00:03:25 »
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The other point, if the vehicle is being towed on a A frame, then it should also have to RFL as all four wheels are on the highway and insurance, bet you didnt know that one  :)

Common knowledge ;) Even if its towed and 1 wheel is on the road, you still need RFL, Insurance, etc...

Has to be a complete 4-wheel lift on a trailer if there is none of the above :)
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #41 on: 12 January 2009, 00:04:22 »
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Looked again...

A-frame is classed as unbraked traler, so MGW towing weight is 750kg... anything more is illegal

100% Correct, and the Max unbraked for a 3.0l MV6 Estate (Which it was) is 750kg, or 1700kg braked... Which is why I didn't bother getting an A Frame myself a bit ago.

What ever way you look at it, an Omega CANNOT legaly tow an Omega anyway, its just too heavy regardless of everything else.
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #42 on: 12 January 2009, 00:04:49 »
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BTW, welcome Character!  :y

What is your mode of transport?
A breakdown truck by chance?


I suspect, but none the less welcome... :y


its white, it has 4 wheels and........ a tacho  ;D

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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #43 on: 12 January 2009, 00:08:21 »
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BTW, welcome Character!  :y

What is your mode of transport?


I'd guess its a "high horse"
 sorry but that dude needs to get a life
 
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Re: Towing Illegally M4 West bound Junct 16 - 17
« Reply #44 on: 12 January 2009, 00:09:18 »
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BTW, welcome Character!  :y

What is your mode of transport?


I'd guess its a "high horse"
 sorry but that dude needs to get a life
 
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Chap obviously does it (car transport etc) to earn a wage....
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