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[tunnie]

blackberrys are aimed solely at business, general pubic won't have them.

1) because they are crap
2) very expensive to run for a private user.
3) it costs something silly like £40 a month to have a Vodafone SIM blackberry BES enabled...the company then has to buy a license for the BES server...
4) at least the iphone makes free use of windows exchange capabilities

We have a number of blackberrys in the office, every single one has had a fault and gone back to be repaired, in some cases its so fubard they send us a brand new one as a replacement.

Also love the comment about the storm being on a par with the iphone..... great bull from Voda there! On a Par? My FOUR, thats http://FOUR year old Nokia N80 had Wifi!

iPhone contracts you get a years free access to BT Cloud and they are everyware and very quick, and no, i don't have an iPhone  

Can I ask how is it very expensive to run for a private user?

If you want it BES enabled your looking at a lot of cash... if you don't use BES, then whats the point in a blackberry?

[Jay w]

blackberrys are aimed solely at business, general pubic won't have them.

1) because they are crap
2) very expensive to run for a private user.
3) it costs something silly like £40 a month to have a Vodafone SIM blackberry BES enabled...the company then has to buy a license for the BES server...
4) at least the iphone makes free use of windows exchange capabilities

We have a number of blackberrys in the office, every single one has had a fault and gone back to be repaired, in some cases its so fubard they send us a brand new one as a replacement.

Also love the comment about the storm being on a par with the iphone..... great bull from Voda there! On a Par? My FOUR, thats http://FOUR year old Nokia N80 had Wifi!

iPhone contracts you get a years free access to BT Cloud and they are everyware and very quick, and no, i don't have an iPhone  

Tunnie, buy you own previous comments on this and other threads, you do not like Blackberries, so you view is somewhat impartial, further back buy your raving on about you four.....yes four year old nokia.

Blackberry have sold millions of their devices, if they were that crap then they would not be where they are today.

Having had an iPhone...i can say that the are flawed, until Apple sort out the crap battery life, terrible bluetooth and tied into a network that isn't the best in the UK.

You don't need to buy a BES licence, most operators will supply a BIS solution for a small fee (on Orange it costs me £2 a month, £24 a year for delivered email on my handset)

i don't understand your comment about them being expensive to run, mine costs about £50 a month and most of that is line rental.....if i have a have a busy month then my bill will be about £80.

the last 5 companies i have worked for have used Blackberry as opposed to nokia, purely because of what they do and how they do it, and i see a lot more people getting into them on a personal basis now.

phones are like cars, Personally i absolutely hate ford, nothing will get me in one, and so i can find an argument and negativity about any of the model range if i want

[Jay w]

blackberrys are aimed solely at business, general pubic won't have them.

1) because they are crap
2) very expensive to run for a private user.
3) it costs something silly like £40 a month to have a Vodafone SIM blackberry BES enabled...the company then has to buy a license for the BES server...
4) at least the iphone makes free use of windows exchange capabilities

We have a number of blackberrys in the office, every single one has had a fault and gone back to be repaired, in some cases its so fubard they send us a brand new one as a replacement.

Also love the comment about the storm being on a par with the iphone..... great bull from Voda there! On a Par? My FOUR, thats http://FOUR year old Nokia N80 had Wifi!

iPhone contracts you get a years free access to BT Cloud and they are everyware and very quick, and no, i don't have an iPhone  

Can I ask how is it very expensive to run for a private user?

If you want it BES enabled your looking at a lot of cash... if you don't use BES, then whats the point in a blackberry?

again a totally flawed agrument.....what about BIS  :-/

[tunnie]

blackberrys are aimed solely at business, general pubic won't have them.

1) because they are crap
2) very expensive to run for a private user.
3) it costs something silly like £40 a month to have a Vodafone SIM blackberry BES enabled...the company then has to buy a license for the BES server...
4) at least the iphone makes free use of windows exchange capabilities

We have a number of blackberrys in the office, every single one has had a fault and gone back to be repaired, in some cases its so fubard they send us a brand new one as a replacement.

Also love the comment about the storm being on a par with the iphone..... great bull from Voda there! On a Par? My FOUR, thats http://FOUR year old Nokia N80 had Wifi!

iPhone contracts you get a years free access to BT Cloud and they are everyware and very quick, and no, i don't have an iPhone  

Tunnie, buy you own previous comments on this and other threads, you do not like Blackberries, so you view is somewhat impartial, further back buy your raving on about you four.....yes four year old nokia.

Blackberry have sold millions of their devices, if they were that crap then they would not be where they are today.

Having had an iPhone...i can say that the are flawed, until Apple sort out the crap battery life, terrible bluetooth and tied into a network that isn't the best in the UK.

You don't need to buy a BES licence, most operators will supply a BIS solution for a small fee (on Orange it costs me £2 a month, £24 a year for delivered email on my handset)

i don't understand your comment about them being expensive to run, mine costs about £50 a month and most of that is line rental.....if i have a have a busy month then my bill will be about £80.

the last 5 companies i have worked for have used Blackberry as opposed to nokia, purely because of what they do and how they do it, and i see a lot more people getting into them on a personal basis now.

phones are like cars, Personally i absolutely hate ford, nothing will get me in one, and so i can find an argument and negativity about any of the model range if i want

Whats the point in the BIS solution? Your computer has to be on for mail to be delivered, and the IMAP ports must be open at your place of employment.... also if blackberry RIM servers crash, which they do, no one gets their mail.

They have an excellent push to device system, thats why businesses use them... the actuall delivery method is not bad, its the actual handsets which are crap. Sorry but we have around 35 handsets here, and ALL of them have failed at some point.

You pay £50 a month!!?!?!? and sometimes £80, i bet your on Vodafone! Got you over a barrel there. I pay £5 inc Vat a month for 250 txts 100 mins and unlimited data, if is so choose, its an extra £15 for unlimited texts and calls. (i don't use it it enough so don't add them on)

So for £20 i would have unlimited data, calls, txts. I use Windows Mobile to connect to exchange (free) my e-mail push is free (it sends a mail to my device the second exchange gets it, blackbarry charge huge amounts for this), also company i work for does not have to spend vasts amounts of money on BES lisence.

iPhone is too locked down for me, does not support turn by turn sat nav, does not have removeable memory like mine.

At the end of the day people will go for what they like, seams a lot of people like being ripped off  

[tunnie]

blackberrys are aimed solely at business, general pubic won't have them.

1) because they are crap
2) very expensive to run for a private user.
3) it costs something silly like £40 a month to have a Vodafone SIM blackberry BES enabled...the company then has to buy a license for the BES server...
4) at least the iphone makes free use of windows exchange capabilities

We have a number of blackberrys in the office, every single one has had a fault and gone back to be repaired, in some cases its so fubard they send us a brand new one as a replacement.

Also love the comment about the storm being on a par with the iphone..... great bull from Voda there! On a Par? My FOUR, thats http://FOUR year old Nokia N80 had Wifi!

iPhone contracts you get a years free access to BT Cloud and they are everyware and very quick, and no, i don't have an iPhone  

Can I ask how is it very expensive to run for a private user?

If you want it BES enabled your looking at a lot of cash... if you don't use BES, then whats the point in a blackberry?

again a totally flawed agrument.....what about BIS  :-/

BIS is pointless, your computer has to be on. Nice and environmently friendly that... instead of an eco server running, you have to keep your machine running over xmas/holidays/weekends to get your mail?

[Jay w]

blackberrys are aimed solely at business, general pubic won't have them.

1) because they are crap
2) very expensive to run for a private user.
3) it costs something silly like £40 a month to have a Vodafone SIM blackberry BES enabled...the company then has to buy a license for the BES server...
4) at least the iphone makes free use of windows exchange capabilities

We have a number of blackberrys in the office, every single one has had a fault and gone back to be repaired, in some cases its so fubard they send us a brand new one as a replacement.

Also love the comment about the storm being on a par with the iphone..... great bull from Voda there! On a Par? My FOUR, thats http://FOUR year old Nokia N80 had Wifi!

iPhone contracts you get a years free access to BT Cloud and they are everyware and very quick, and no, i don't have an iPhone  

Tunnie, buy you own previous comments on this and other threads, you do not like Blackberries, so you view is somewhat impartial, further back buy your raving on about you four.....yes four year old nokia.

Blackberry have sold millions of their devices, if they were that crap then they would not be where they are today.

Having had an iPhone...i can say that the are flawed, until Apple sort out the crap battery life, terrible bluetooth and tied into a network that isn't the best in the UK.

You don't need to buy a BES licence, most operators will supply a BIS solution for a small fee (on Orange it costs me £2 a month, £24 a year for delivered email on my handset)

i don't understand your comment about them being expensive to run, mine costs about £50 a month and most of that is line rental.....if i have a have a busy month then my bill will be about £80.

the last 5 companies i have worked for have used Blackberry as opposed to nokia, purely because of what they do and how they do it, and i see a lot more people getting into them on a personal basis now.

phones are like cars, Personally i absolutely hate ford, nothing will get me in one, and so i can find an argument and negativity about any of the model range if i want

Whats the point in the BIS solution? Your computer has to be on for mail to be delivered, and the IMAP ports must be open at your place of employment.... also if blackberry RIM servers crash, which they do, no one gets their mail.

They have an excellent push to device system, thats why businesses use them... the actuall delivery method is not bad, its the actual handsets which are crap. Sorry but we have around 35 handsets here, and ALL of them have failed at some point.

You pay £50 a month!!?!?!? and sometimes £80, i bet your on Vodafone! Got you over a barrel there. I pay £5 inc Vat a month for 250 txts 100 mins and unlimited data, if is so choose, its an extra £15 for unlimited texts and calls. (i don't use it it enough so don't add them on)

So for £20 i would have unlimited data, calls, txts. I use Windows Mobile to connect to exchange (free) my e-mail push is free (it sends a mail to my device the second exchange gets it, blackbarry charge huge amounts for this), also company i work for does not have to spend vasts amounts of money on BES lisence.

iPhone is too locked down for me, does not support turn by turn sat nav, does not have removeable memory like mine.

At the end of the day people will go for what they like, seams a lot of people like being ripped off  

No my machine does not have to be on all the time......the email is sent direct from my ISP

err no i am on Orange, i wouldn't touch Voda with a 10 foot barge pole, i have done a lot of work with them and wouldn't use them as a mobile provider.

My £50 - £80 is paid for by my business, i am doing about 2000 mins a month, have BIS with unlimited internet and email, have unlimited text, and i can easily knock out 1500 a month, and the phone is insured.

it is possible to 'unlock' the iPhone, yes there is a cost, but it does work, i had turn by turn sat nav working on it, and it didn't crash like windows phones used to

I don't like being ripped off....mine is a business Tarriff, i am not tied into a contact an i claim the VAT back on that invoice total as well  

[TheBoy]

tbh, if you want to sync your phone with Exchange, Windows Mobile is probably the way to go.

If you want imap based email, pretty much any fairly modern handset can deal with it.  OK, it won't be pushed though.


A lot of medium/large companies bought in to RIM stuff when Blackberrys were the one corporate option, and are tied into it for legacy reasons. I work for a company, but am permenently on a contract for another large UK company. This company uses Blackberrys, and I frequently see them fly across the room due to unexpected behaviour

The company I work for uses Windows Mobile (obviously, seeing as the make them), and although they are the frustrating type (imho) without a touchscreen, but they do work well - shame, as I love to find fault with the company's products (even before I worked for them)

[TheBoy]

it didn't crash like windows phones used to

What handset did you have, most WM5 or WM6 devices are pretty stable - the htc based one I use currently has been pretty good, except problems with IE.

[Jay w]

it didn't crash like windows phones used to

What handset did you have, most WM5 or WM6 devices are pretty stable - the htc based one I use currently has been pretty good, except problems with IE.

i had the TYTN, TYTN2 M3100 and all of them crashed frequently.....

Found that if a text came in when the sat nav was on the phone would freeze and need a soft reset

[TheBoy]

it didn't crash like windows phones used to

What handset did you have, most WM5 or WM6 devices are pretty stable - the htc based one I use currently has been pretty good, except problems with IE.

i had the TYTN, TYTN2 M3100 and all of them crashed frequently.....

Found that if a text came in when the sat nav was on the phone would freeze and need a soft reset

think mine is m3100 - use TT6.010, never really had an issue except that occasionally it loses the memory card, whether i/c text or phone call.

[Jay w]

it didn't crash like windows phones used to

What handset did you have, most WM5 or WM6 devices are pretty stable - the htc based one I use currently has been pretty good, except problems with IE.

i had the TYTN, TYTN2 M3100 and all of them crashed frequently.....

Found that if a text came in when the sat nav was on the phone would freeze and need a soft reset

think mine is m3100 - use TT6.010, never really had an issue except that occasionally it loses the memory card, whether i/c text or phone call.

if its the one with the swivel screen then yes, i remember you had just got it when we did the had on the tractor

[TheBoy]

it didn't crash like windows phones used to

What handset did you have, most WM5 or WM6 devices are pretty stable - the htc based one I use currently has been pretty good, except problems with IE.

i had the TYTN, TYTN2 M3100 and all of them crashed frequently.....

Found that if a text came in when the sat nav was on the phone would freeze and need a soft reset

think mine is m3100 - use TT6.010, never really had an issue except that occasionally it loses the memory card, whether i/c text or phone call.

if its the one with the swivel screen then yes, i remember you had just got it when we did the had on the tractor

yup, that would be about right.  Its been reliable and a pleasure to use, except IE, which can be a sod on it

[Martin_1962]

Blackberry and apple - yummy

Got a bush in hte garden

[feeutfo]

it didn't crash like windows phones used to

What handset did you have, most WM5 or WM6 devices are pretty stable - the htc based one I use currently has been pretty good, except problems with IE.

i had the TYTN, TYTN2 M3100 and all of them crashed frequently.....

Found that if a text came in when the sat nav was on the phone would freeze and need a soft reset

think mine is m3100 - use TT6.010, never really had an issue except that occasionally it loses the memory card, whether i/c text or phone call.

if its the one with the swivel screen then yes, i remember you had just got it when we did the had on the tractor

yup, that would be about right.  Its been reliable and a pleasure to use, except IE, which can be a sod on it

def. sounds gay to me...in a....Flash Gordan in tights sort of way.










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[tunnie]

it didn't crash like windows phones used to

What handset did you have, most WM5 or WM6 devices are pretty stable - the htc based one I use currently has been pretty good, except problems with IE.

i had the TYTN, TYTN2 M3100 and all of them crashed frequently.....

Found that if a text came in when the sat nav was on the phone would freeze and need a soft reset

think mine is m3100 - use TT6.010, never really had an issue except that occasionally it loses the memory card, whether i/c text or phone call.

if its the one with the swivel screen then yes, i remember you had just got it when we did the had on the tractor

yup, that would be about right.  Its been reliable and a pleasure to use, except IE, which can be a sod on it

Not with the custom Black Satin ROM