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[shyboy]

The simplest solution is for ebay to ban retraction of bids at all stages.
If I remember correctly the rules, (or guidelines  , say that bids may be retracted only in exceptional circumstances, which is obviously ignored by ebay. They don't give a toss so long as they secure their fees.
 

I think you can check a persons profile.  and I believe it lists things like bid retractions.  So do your home work  where ever you can.
A lot of sellers have multiple accounts in an attempt to gain higher prices by bidding up their own items.  as TB says it's against the rules.


Stuart, it seems you have no scrupples in makeing money, and sadly for that reason if you ever get stuffed with a trade on Ebay then I have no sympathy for you. :-/

I'm not an expert on ebay, Skruntie, but isn't this difficult when people are able to have multiple accounts and or use their fellow twisters to confuse the issue?

[Loch View]

I have bought a few cars from ebay but never through the auction. I only search for local cars (within 60-80 miles or so) then email the seller saying I want to have a look at the car, make an offer while you're there and close the deal. Never failed sofar

[stuart30]

Yeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.

If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.

Cant see the problem...

This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).

stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules.  If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy.  Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.

Trouble is TB Ebay was ruined long ago...before i used it.

Setting a reserve is fine however that incures more cost,im sure as hell aint paying even more than i already do.

If someone wants too pay £500 then all they need do is enter £500 as there bid...if some silly bugger wants too set a false price thats way above market value then the £500 bidder simply wouldn't win so no harm has come too them,the only potential loser is the seller....hence why i cant see a problem.

I feel the same way about ""sniping tools"" as you sound you do with shill bidding...hardly ""fair"" now are they.

Hmmm actually these people who you call scumbags does that include the auctioneers in well known auction houses who pretend there's more bidders bidding than there actually is....ummm whilst it maybe morally questionable is perfectly legal.....maybe not on Ebay but who cares.

In a proper auction, you bid in small increments so it goes at the lowest price possible - thats the point (assuming the auctioneer isn't crooked).

Online not really so possible in same way, so you tell ebay your ceiling, it bids on your behalf.

An open auction, including Ebay, is not about an item going for the maximum any one person is prepared to pay, its about it going for the market value on the day.  If you go to an auction house to buy something, you don't say how much you are prepared to pay for an item, which in effect what tossers who shill bid their own items are trying to achieve.

Note, ebay do not run closed auctions.  I'm sure there are plenty of sites that do, or if there are not, then there is you business opportunity.

So your only reason for not putting a reserve on is the extra cost? Well, either pay the reserve, or let the item go at market value, not your idea of inflated prices.  Or use Buy It Now.

No wonder Ebay has a bad name when some of its members think they are entitled to something for nothing.

I feel with some auctions, I have to use sniping tools, to conteract the dishonest sellers  

 

If you fancy giving me your ebay ID, I can add it to my Ebay Ignore list....

I disagree....when i wish too buy an item i have a maximum amount im prepared too pay,its not what its worth too the seller its what its worth too me.

If i see a car and i feel its worth £500 too me i bid £500......if it sells for less great if it sells for more then its not worth it too me.

I sell stuff on ebay too make as much money as i can....hell thats why im selling it.

Skuntie if i had no morals i wouldn't have sold my Car too a member on here for half of that i could have made on Ebay and even then let the chap off a few quid when it came too handing over the folding.....im not out too rip anyone off (can all members on here HONESTLY say that i think not) however if someone on Ebay is happy too pay the price THERE bidding then fine....remember im not sitting on there computer making them bid am i....its there choice.

Im more than happy too take any flack..id rather be honest and up front about Ebay than keep quiet and secretly laugh at buyers. :-?

Oh and i have 100% feedback....on over 300 sales/buys.

[dbug]

stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules.  If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy.  Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.

Couldn't agee more - if you need to CHEAT you shouldn't be playing.

Please give me your ebay ID, so I can make sure I don't bid on any of your auctions

[Vamps]

stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules.  If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy.  Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.

Couldn't agee more - if you need to CHEAT you shouldn't be playing.

Please give me your ebay ID, so I can make sure I don't bid on any of your auctions

As a buyer this spoils my chance a a punt on something, as recently when I lost an item for 50p. I may put a 'daft' bid on something for 99p, if I win  it great, if I really want something then I will put a maximum bid on it, this is part of the ebay fun.
As a seller I have had to let things got for 99p that are worth far more, but no buyers at the time, so the price stays low.
This is all part of the ebay experience. In 300 deals I have never had any problems and only recently had a none paying customer, we communicated and he was going to collect and pay case. Never heard anymore, did not chace up as I had sold him a good as new Factory workshop manual for a Rover P6 for 99p Tis the way it goes, should have got at least £10.00 for it, next time maybe....

[Danny]

I sold both my omegas through ebay, using standard classified adverts instead of auction/BuyItNow

if someone genuinely wants the car, they'll ring me and come view/drive it, if they like it they buy it, if they dont, they walk away, if they get aggressive, they're met with the option of walking away and the matter going no further, or a gathering of back-up on my side purely as an effective deterrent, not as an unfair scrap

[TheBoy]

Yeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.

If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.

Cant see the problem...

This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).

stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules.  If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy.  Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.

Trouble is TB Ebay was ruined long ago...before i used it.

Setting a reserve is fine however that incures more cost,im sure as hell aint paying even more than i already do.

If someone wants too pay £500 then all they need do is enter £500 as there bid...if some silly bugger wants too set a false price thats way above market value then the £500 bidder simply wouldn't win so no harm has come too them,the only potential loser is the seller....hence why i cant see a problem.

I feel the same way about ""sniping tools"" as you sound you do with shill bidding...hardly ""fair"" now are they.

Hmmm actually these people who you call scumbags does that include the auctioneers in well known auction houses who pretend there's more bidders bidding than there actually is....ummm whilst it maybe morally questionable is perfectly legal.....maybe not on Ebay but who cares.

In a proper auction, you bid in small increments so it goes at the lowest price possible - thats the point (assuming the auctioneer isn't crooked).

Online not really so possible in same way, so you tell ebay your ceiling, it bids on your behalf.

An open auction, including Ebay, is not about an item going for the maximum any one person is prepared to pay, its about it going for the market value on the day.  If you go to an auction house to buy something, you don't say how much you are prepared to pay for an item, which in effect what tossers who shill bid their own items are trying to achieve.

Note, ebay do not run closed auctions.  I'm sure there are plenty of sites that do, or if there are not, then there is you business opportunity.

So your only reason for not putting a reserve on is the extra cost? Well, either pay the reserve, or let the item go at market value, not your idea of inflated prices.  Or use Buy It Now.

No wonder Ebay has a bad name when some of its members think they are entitled to something for nothing.

I feel with some auctions, I have to use sniping tools, to conteract the dishonest sellers  

 

If you fancy giving me your ebay ID, I can add it to my Ebay Ignore list....

I disagree....when i wish too buy an item i have a maximum amount im prepared too pay,its not what its worth too the seller its what its worth too me.

If i see a car and i feel its worth £500 too me i bid £500......if it sells for less great if it sells for more then its not worth it too me.

I sell stuff on ebay too make as much money as i can....hell thats why im selling it.

Skuntie if i had no morals i wouldn't have sold my Car too a member on here for half of that i could have made on Ebay and even then let the chap off a few quid when it came too handing over the folding.....im not out too rip anyone off (can all members on here HONESTLY say that i think not) however if someone on Ebay is happy too pay the price THERE bidding then fine....remember im not sitting on there computer making them bid am i....its there choice.

Im more than happy too take any flack..id rather be honest and up front about Ebay than keep quiet and secretly laugh at buyers. :-?

Oh and i have 100% feedback....on over 300 sales/buys.

What the hell is there to disagree about? Its an open AUCTION. What part of that is so rather difficult? It doesn't need a massive amount of intelligence.

Ebay provide the tools to ensure you get the price you want, but you appear to be too tight to pay for that.

If you don't like ebay rules (which most people play by, just ruined by the selfish few) or pricing, try another site, or set up your own rather online shop.

The whole point of an open auction is to allow buyers to get products at the lowest price on the day.  Sounds like you need a closed auction - an auction with secret bids, and highest bid is the amount paid. Ebay do not provide this, so use a provider who does. Needless to say, closed auctions are not that popular with buyers for obvious reasons.

Cheating at auctions is fraud.

As said, if you want to be open and up front (which I doubt, as I bet you don't write on your auctions that you are shill bidding to get best price), let us know your ebay ID, so we can all add you to our ignore lists - I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters  

[dbug]

Yeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.

If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.

Cant see the problem...

This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).

stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules.  If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy.  Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.

Trouble is TB Ebay was ruined long ago...before i used it.

Setting a reserve is fine however that incures more cost,im sure as hell aint paying even more than i already do.

If someone wants too pay £500 then all they need do is enter £500 as there bid...if some silly bugger wants too set a false price thats way above market value then the £500 bidder simply wouldn't win so no harm has come too them,the only potential loser is the seller....hence why i cant see a problem.

I feel the same way about ""sniping tools"" as you sound you do with shill bidding...hardly ""fair"" now are they.

Hmmm actually these people who you call scumbags does that include the auctioneers in well known auction houses who pretend there's more bidders bidding than there actually is....ummm whilst it maybe morally questionable is perfectly legal.....maybe not on Ebay but who cares.

In a proper auction, you bid in small increments so it goes at the lowest price possible - thats the point (assuming the auctioneer isn't crooked).

Online not really so possible in same way, so you tell ebay your ceiling, it bids on your behalf.

An open auction, including Ebay, is not about an item going for the maximum any one person is prepared to pay, its about it going for the market value on the day.  If you go to an auction house to buy something, you don't say how much you are prepared to pay for an item, which in effect what tossers who shill bid their own items are trying to achieve.

Note, ebay do not run closed auctions.  I'm sure there are plenty of sites that do, or if there are not, then there is you business opportunity.

So your only reason for not putting a reserve on is the extra cost? Well, either pay the reserve, or let the item go at market value, not your idea of inflated prices.  Or use Buy It Now.

No wonder Ebay has a bad name when some of its members think they are entitled to something for nothing.

I feel with some auctions, I have to use sniping tools, to conteract the dishonest sellers  

 

If you fancy giving me your ebay ID, I can add it to my Ebay Ignore list....

I disagree....when i wish too buy an item i have a maximum amount im prepared too pay,its not what its worth too the seller its what its worth too me.

If i see a car and i feel its worth £500 too me i bid £500......if it sells for less great if it sells for more then its not worth it too me.

I sell stuff on ebay too make as much money as i can....hell thats why im selling it.

Skuntie if i had no morals i wouldn't have sold my Car too a member on here for half of that i could have made on Ebay and even then let the chap off a few quid when it came too handing over the folding.....im not out too rip anyone off (can all members on here HONESTLY say that i think not) however if someone on Ebay is happy too pay the price THERE bidding then fine....remember im not sitting on there computer making them bid am i....its there choice.

Im more than happy too take any flack..id rather be honest and up front about Ebay than keep quiet and secretly laugh at buyers. :-?

Oh and i have 100% feedback....on over 300 sales/buys.

What the hell is there to disagree about? Its an open AUCTION. What part of that is so rather difficult? It doesn't need a massive amount of intelligence.

Ebay provide the tools to ensure you get the price you want, but you appear to be too tight to pay for that.

If you don't like ebay rules (which most people play by, just ruined by the selfish few) or pricing, try another site, or set up your own rather online shop.

The whole point of an open auction is to allow buyers to get products at the lowest price on the day.  Sounds like you need a closed auction - an auction with secret bids, and highest bid is the amount paid. Ebay do not provide this, so use a provider who does. Needless to say, closed auctions are not that popular with buyers for obvious reasons.

Cheating at auctions is fraud.

As said, if you want to be open and up front (which I doubt, as I bet you don't write on your auctions that you are shill bidding to get best price), let us know your ebay ID, so we can all add you to our ignore lists - I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters  

Agreed - nicely put Jaime

[stuart30]

Yeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.

If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.

Cant see the problem...

This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).

stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules.  If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy.  Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.

Trouble is TB Ebay was ruined long ago...before i used it.

Setting a reserve is fine however that incures more cost,im sure as hell aint paying even more than i already do.

If someone wants too pay £500 then all they need do is enter £500 as there bid...if some silly bugger wants too set a false price thats way above market value then the £500 bidder simply wouldn't win so no harm has come too them,the only potential loser is the seller....hence why i cant see a problem.

I feel the same way about ""sniping tools"" as you sound you do with shill bidding...hardly ""fair"" now are they.

Hmmm actually these people who you call scumbags does that include the auctioneers in well known auction houses who pretend there's more bidders bidding than there actually is....ummm whilst it maybe morally questionable is perfectly legal.....maybe not on Ebay but who cares.

In a proper auction, you bid in small increments so it goes at the lowest price possible - thats the point (assuming the auctioneer isn't crooked).

Online not really so possible in same way, so you tell ebay your ceiling, it bids on your behalf.

An open auction, including Ebay, is not about an item going for the maximum any one person is prepared to pay, its about it going for the market value on the day.  If you go to an auction house to buy something, you don't say how much you are prepared to pay for an item, which in effect what tossers who shill bid their own items are trying to achieve.

Note, ebay do not run closed auctions.  I'm sure there are plenty of sites that do, or if there are not, then there is you business opportunity.

So your only reason for not putting a reserve on is the extra cost? Well, either pay the reserve, or let the item go at market value, not your idea of inflated prices.  Or use Buy It Now.

No wonder Ebay has a bad name when some of its members think they are entitled to something for nothing.

I feel with some auctions, I have to use sniping tools, to conteract the dishonest sellers  

 

If you fancy giving me your ebay ID, I can add it to my Ebay Ignore list....

I disagree....when i wish too buy an item i have a maximum amount im prepared too pay,its not what its worth too the seller its what its worth too me.

If i see a car and i feel its worth £500 too me i bid £500......if it sells for less great if it sells for more then its not worth it too me.

I sell stuff on ebay too make as much money as i can....hell thats why im selling it.

Skuntie if i had no morals i wouldn't have sold my Car too a member on here for half of that i could have made on Ebay and even then let the chap off a few quid when it came too handing over the folding.....im not out too rip anyone off (can all members on here HONESTLY say that i think not) however if someone on Ebay is happy too pay the price THERE bidding then fine....remember im not sitting on there computer making them bid am i....its there choice.

Im more than happy too take any flack..id rather be honest and up front about Ebay than keep quiet and secretly laugh at buyers. :-?

Oh and i have 100% feedback....on over 300 sales/buys.

What the hell is there to disagree about? Its an open AUCTION. What part of that is so rather difficult? It doesn't need a massive amount of intelligence.
Ebay provide the tools to ensure you get the price you want, but you appear to be too tight to pay for that.
If you don't like ebay rules (which most people play by, just ruined by the selfish few) or pricing, try another site, or set up your own rather online shop.

The whole point of an open auction is to allow buyers to get products at the lowest price on the day.  Sounds like you need a closed auction - an auction with secret bids, and highest bid is the amount paid. Ebay do not provide this, so use a provider who does. Needless to say, closed auctions are not that popular with buyers for obvious reasons.

Cheating at auctions is fraud.

As said, if you want to be open and up front (which I doubt, as I bet you don't write on your auctions that you are shill bidding to get best price), let us know your ebay ID, so we can all add you to our ignore lists - I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters  

Maybe its you who needs too re-read what ive said instead of jumping too conclusions and throwing your toys out of the pram like a rather spoiled brat....its sounds like your just belly aching because you might end up not getting a bargain....well woopy oppsing doo....you pay the price or don't bother buying the item.

Get off your high horse its getting tiresome.

[Loch View]

this is starting to get quite entertaining  

[stuart30]

this is starting to get quite entertaining  

Glad your enjoying it.


Hey least ive got the balls too stand up and be honest about what i do on an acution....bloody shame that everyone on this site isnt so honest.

Looks like everyone has suddendly forgotten the warning sticky in sales/wanted....break me slight case of pot/kettle me thinks.

[Mr Skrunts]

[size=18] let us know your ebay ID,
so we can all add you to our ignore lists -
I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters[/size]

Totally Agree with TheBoy.

[Loch View]

I have 100% score with over 650 feedback (buying & selling) and I think it all went honest

Actually I'm not that bothered how other people 'play' the whole ebay thing. Has never affected me in any way

[stuart30]

[size=18] let us know your ebay ID,
so we can all add you to our ignore lists -
I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters[/size]

Totally Agree with TheBoy.

Why because your so worried you might miss out on a bargain....yeah right.

Makes me sick too the stomach the bloody im whiter than white bullshit some of you people come out with....!

People state ""advertised elsewhere"" ""paypal not accepted"" ect ect all break the rules.....its Ebay either get used too it or dont bother using it.

No skuntie buy from this site...like i said maybe you should read the sticky first....is my name there....hmmmm  :-?

[Mr Skrunts]

[size=18] let us know your ebay ID,
so we can all add you to our ignore lists -
I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters[/size]

Totally Agree with TheBoy.

Why because your so worried you might miss out on a bargain....yeah right.

Makes me sick too the stomach the bloody im whiter than white bullshit some of you people come out with....!

People state ""advertised elsewhere"" ""paypal not accepted"" ect ect all break the rules.....its Ebay either get used too it or dont bother using it.

Been ripped off a few times, especially from tossers who take the money and dont semd the goods.  Was an interesying program that Trevor McDonald did on Scammers on Ebay.  I caught some of it but not all.  The bit I saw was regards the Police and the fact that at the time Ebay offered no help at all regards the con artists.  Ebay themselves are just as bad as the minority of people we are talking of in this thread.   Money making grabbing baskits.