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[stuart30]

[size=18] let us know your ebay ID,
so we can all add you to our ignore lists -
I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters[/size]

Totally Agree with TheBoy.

Why because your so worried you might miss out on a bargain....yeah right.

Makes me sick too the stomach the bloody im whiter than white bullshit some of you people come out with....!

People state ""advertised elsewhere"" ""paypal not accepted"" ect ect all break the rules.....its Ebay either get used too it or dont bother using it.

Been ripped off a few times, especially from tossers who take the money and dont semd the goods.  Was an interesying program that Trevor McDonald did on Scammers on Ebay.  I caught some of it but not all.  The bit I saw was regards the Police and the fact that at the time Ebay offered no help at all regards the con artists.  Ebay themselves are just as bad as the minority of people we are talking of in this thread.   Money making grabbing baskits.

Thats right Ebay is just a cesspit with fruadsters out too con people....im the biggest con artist of all,just ask TB.

Stick too buying from OOF its much safer....ummm except the diputes listed in the sticky.

If i bump the price of an item up its becasue i want too get a fair price or as much as i can if that makes me a fruadster low life scum as TB suggests then fine....at least ive got the balls too be open and say i do.

However with over 300 buy/sales and 100% feedback i think the people ive sold too and bought from know better.

[Debs.]

However with over 300 buy/sales and 100% feedback i think the people ive sold too and bought from know better.

I too "know better" after reading of your 'conveniently favourable' ethics.....I notice you`re rather more shy with regards to actually revealing your eBay ID though.  

[stuart30]

However with over 300 buy/sales and 100% feedback i think the people ive sold too and bought from know better.

I too "know better" after reading of your 'conveniently favourable' ethics.....I notice you`re rather more shy with regards to actually revealing your eBay ID though.  

Im lots of things Debs...some questionable....Shy i ain't..

When someone can come forward who is whiter than white i"ll take there criticism without question,unfortunately that just isn't gonna happen.

Just for you.....

Ebay ID..Imascumshillbiddingfruadsterwhocantbetrusted

Oh yes im such a not too be trusted scum bag who puts profit first thats why i ended my Ebay auction and sold my 2.2 too an OOFer for HALF the price i could have got on ebay...yep totaly untrustworthy.

[archermk]

It looks like I touched a raw nerve here!

Just a reminder about the original subject: bid shielding - here's an update.

Lady with 9 x 100% feedback points places W-reg Elite 3.0 on eBay. OK, she is quite new to eBay.

Car reaches last hour and is "bid shielded" by Fagan and Oliver (two pickpockets). Other bidders are blocked out. Car sells for absurdly low price.

Fagan & Oliver Twist, identities hidden by eBay,  make no contact until they turn up at her place next day.

They brag about how they blocked the bid. Her car is spotless except for two rust spots about 5p piece size - they call it a rust-bucket. They abuse her and then try to beat the price down further.

She gets frightened by their abuse and asks them to leave. They do so, swearing at her neighbours as they go.

They give her negative feedback. She is now at 90%. She can't give negative feedback - new eBay rules!!!!

eBay is not interested.

True story.

[Martin_1962]

That's when you get nasty - I have had negative before - so I slagged off the seller via the feedback comments.

I made the mistake of critising piss poor packing and still giving positive feedback.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Yes, e-bay I do not use and would never use when buying or selling a car, or anything else for that matter.

Personal, face to face Private or Trade dealing, with someone accompanying me, will always be my preferred method! 8-) 8-) 8-)

This thread has just confirmed all my fears about selling and buying on e-bay and I am definitely going to stick to me policy as stated in my first post on this issue.

All the time there are dodgy, only out for themselves, people out there, as we all know exist and always will as demonstrated during this thread, then e-bay will be a risky enterprise for the innocent and humble.

In fact I cannot get over how one member has been so blatant in admitting to fraud, a crime, which auction fixing is!!  Sod everyone else, eh??

[stuart30]

Yes, e-bay I do not use and would never use when buying or selling a car, or anything else for that matter.

Personal, face to face Private or Trade dealing, with someone accompanying me, will always be my preferred method! 8-) 8-) 8-)

This thread has just confirmed all my fears about selling and buying on e-bay and I am definitely going to stick to me policy as stated in my first post on this issue.

All the time there are dodgy, only out for themselves, people out there, as we all know exist and always will as demonstrated during this thread, then e-bay will be a risky enterprise for the innocent and humble.

In fact I cannot get over how one member has been so blatant in admitting to fraud, a crime, which auction fixing is!!  Sod everyone else, eh??

Yeah ohhhh oooooerrr dodgy geezer lizzie...carefull i might swindle you out of ya life savings...

I do love all the whiter than white people on here.... :-?

Kinda reminds me of """Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.""

Makes me laugh how some of you think your so moraly superior....

[TheBoy]

Why because your so worried you might miss out on a bargain....yeah right.

Makes me sick too the stomach the bloody im whiter than white bullshit some of you people come out with....!

People state ""advertised elsewhere"" ""paypal not accepted"" ect ect all break the rules.....its Ebay either get used too it or dont bother using it.

No skuntie buy from this site...like i said maybe you should read the sticky first....is my name there....hmmmm  :-?

Your absolutely right, that is against ebay's policies. As a buyer, though, at least you know what you're dealing with.

I am pretty certain you don't write on your auctions "I reserve the right to bid on my own items to get the maximum price I possibly can".  Maybe I'm wrong, in which case I apologise - feel free to post up one of your finished auctions to prove me wrong.

There you go, you're chance to prove you are honest...

[Debs.]

Yeah ohhhh oooooerrr dodgy geezer lizzie...carefull i might swindle you out of ya life savings...

I do love all the whiter than white people on here.... :-?

Kinda reminds me of """Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.""

Makes me laugh how some of you think your so moraly superior....

Not "morally superior", Stuart; it`s just that many honest people go 'out of their way' to deal fairly and truthfully in all aspects of their private and financial dealings: "Treating others as one would wish to be treated in return"
Honesty, fairness and ethical-proberty are tenets of a fair and equitable society.

Although you clearly cannot differentiate genuine honesty from piousness; I can assure you that there are honest people and it is they who are horrified (but not surprised) that there are today, so-many who share your ethical mindset.
Honesty is not (as you seem to see it) a weakness.

[stuart30]

Yeah ohhhh oooooerrr dodgy geezer lizzie...carefull i might swindle you out of ya life savings...

I do love all the whiter than white people on here.... :-?

Kinda reminds me of """Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.""

Makes me laugh how some of you think your so moraly superior....

Not "morally superior", Stuart; it`s just that many honest people go 'out of their way' to deal fairly and truthfully in all aspects of their private and financial dealings: "Treating others as one would wish to be treated in return"
Honesty, fairness and ethical-proberty are tenets of a fair and equitable society.

Although you clearly cannot differentiate genuine honesty from piousness; I can assure you that there are honest people and it is they who are horrified (but not surprised) that there are today, so-many who share your ethical mindset.
Honesty is not (as you seem to see it) a weakness.

Debs if i thought honesty was a weakness id not have been honest about how i run my Ebay account....i fully understand what you and others have said and as odd as it may sound actually (too a degree) agree its not honest and ive no doubt would piss off someone....however if someone is happy too pay the amount they bid then thats up too them,as ive said i dont force anyone too bid on my items....nor do i make them type in the amount they wish too bid.

No TB i dont bid on my own items (i only have one account)...all i would do is for example,say im selling a bicycle and im sure it would make £60 on an average day too avoid paying Ebays unrealistic reserve fee"s id tell a friend too stick a bid on for say £50...if no one wants too bid more than £50 fine i"ll keep the item an pay the listing fee.

If that makes me a fruadster and scum then so be it.

But really lets be honest everyone breaks the rules....maybe you drive over the speed limit,yet your happy too justify breaking the law....too me its no different.

[TheBoy]

stuart30 - getting friends and family to fraudulantly bid on your items is still shill bidding.

Yet the tools are there (reserves or start it at or around the price you want) to ensure you get the price you want, but you feel that you shouldn't need to pay such fees? Why is that? Ebay are a big company, and therefore fair game for stealing from?


As many have said, feel free to let us know your ebay id so we don't get conned by you (unless you write on your auctions that you will shill bid), or feel free to post up one of your finished auctions stating that you shill bid.

Other than that, I have nought further to add, and my views of your ebay behaviour will remain unchanged. Shame its a minority of ebayers that ruin it for HONEST ebayers.

[stuart30]

stuart30 - getting friends and family to fraudulantly bid on your items is still shill bidding.

Yet the tools are there (reserves or start it at or around the price you want) to ensure you get the price you want, but you feel that you shouldn't need to pay such fees? Why is that? Ebay are a big company, and therefore fair game for stealing from?


As many have said, feel free to let us know your ebay id so we don't get conned by you (unless you write on your auctions that you will shill bid), or feel free to post up one of your finished auctions stating that you shill bid.

Other than that, I have nought further to add, and my views of your ebay behaviour will remain unchanged. Shame its a minority of ebayers that ruin it for HONEST ebayers.

Yes i know its shill bidding TB and as ive said i dont and wont see a problem with it...if you think its just a few that do it and ruin it for the many then your mistaken,if it really upsets you that much then use another auction site (only i can assure you it happens there as well.).

I as others do file share...again thats no legal but it happens...i as others do on occasion break the speed limit....i as others do sometimes put a handful of fuses in a pocket when at the scrap yard.

Is everyone who does the above SCUM because they have broken the law....?

Im sure my thoughts have been made quite clear now.....

[Entwood]

stuart30 - getting friends and family to fraudulantly bid on your items is still shill bidding.

Yet the tools are there (reserves or start it at or around the price you want) to ensure you get the price you want, but you feel that you shouldn't need to pay such fees? Why is that? Ebay are a big company, and therefore fair game for stealing from?


As many have said, feel free to let us know your ebay id so we don't get conned by you (unless you write on your auctions that you will shill bid), or feel free to post up one of your finished auctions stating that you shill bid.

Other than that, I have nought further to add, and my views of your ebay behaviour will remain unchanged. Shame its a minority of ebayers that ruin it for HONEST ebayers.

Yes i know its shill bidding TB and as ive said i dont and wont see a problem with it...if you think its just a few that do it and ruin it for the many then your mistaken,if it really upsets you that much then use another auction site (only i can assure you it happens there as well.).

I as others do file share...again thats no legal but it happens...i as others do on occasion break the speed limit....i as others do sometimes put a handful of fuses in a pocket when at the scrap yard.

Is everyone who does the above SCUM because they have broken the law....?

Im sure my thoughts have been made quite clear now.....

yup they have ... and ... "methinks thou dost protest too much" ... you are wrong but continue to try and justify your position  .. to whom .. yourself or us Don't bother with us .. we have already decided what we think..........

[dbug]

stuart30 - getting friends and family to fraudulantly bid on your items is still shill bidding.

Yet the tools are there (reserves or start it at or around the price you want) to ensure you get the price you want, but you feel that you shouldn't need to pay such fees? Why is that? Ebay are a big company, and therefore fair game for stealing from?


As many have said, feel free to let us know your ebay id so we don't get conned by you (unless you write on your auctions that you will shill bid), or feel free to post up one of your finished auctions stating that you shill bid.

Other than that, I have nought further to add, and my views of your ebay behaviour will remain unchanged. Shame its a minority of ebayers that ruin it for HONEST ebayers.

Yes i know its shill bidding TB and as ive said i dont and wont see a problem with it...if you think its just a few that do it and ruin it for the many then your mistaken,if it really upsets you that much then use another auction site (only i can assure you it happens there as well.).

I as others do file share...again thats no legal but it happens...i as others do on occasion break the speed limit....i as others do sometimes put a handful of fuses in a pocket when at the scrap yard.

Is everyone who does the above SCUM because they have broken the law....?

Im sure my thoughts have been made quite clear now.....

yup they have ... and ... "methinks thou dost protest too much" ... you are wrong but continue to try and justify your position  .. to whom .. yourself or us Don't bother with us .. we have already decided what we think..........

Suffice it to say I think Entwood has summed up stuart30's monotonus and almost hysterical attempts to justify what is basically CHEATING.

Once again I say post up your Ebay ID to protect the honest ebayers on OOF.

I doubt if Stuart30 will be prepared to do this and therefore feel this post should be locked now.

[jerry]

Dont know a lot about e-bay but have heard about this stuff before. For myself, Ive only used the "buy now" option for things Ive wanted that seemed a fair price -and in some cases, a bit of a bargain. However, all this shill bidding stuff does seem to smack of dishonesty to me in as much that, "playing the system" it might be, but it really is all about misleading people. How you can equate this sort of dishonesty/Rule bending with knowingly breaking the speed limit is a bit beyond me Stuart. Of course most of us have broken a law (most commonly speed limits i'm sure!) but I am equally sure that most of us are also honest in our dealings with others. Working in retail for many years now, I can tell you that ultimately "honesty is the best policy" and will get you return custom as its an integral part of good customer service.