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[Ken T]

OK, lets prosecute the copper for pushing too hard. The reasons for him doing so was to clear the bloke out the way, and he possibly used unreasonable force. However later on at 2:06 all the protesters are pushing the group of Police. Supposed one of them had a weak heart ?. This could have given him a heart attack as well. So you must prosecute ALL the protesters involved in this part of the action.

If people engage in mob mentality, they can't be expected to be dealt with kid gloves.

ken

[Turk]

Come on, wrong place at the wrong time. Everybody knew there was going to be trouble, because of the demonstration. When's the last time there was a peaceful demonstration ?. You see this bloke wandering through the Police lines, hands in pockets, apparently oblivious to what's happening around.  What is a Police officer to make of this ?. What could he be hiding in his pockets ?. They don't know, they are up to high alert, prepared for all sorts of trouble, and this bloke comes wandering through. The Police are only human, they can only act on what they are told to expect, if you look at what happened later, eg they were caring for him, put up themselves as a human shield, and some sh1t, sorry peaceful G20 protester threw a bottle at them. And the heart attack, what caused it ?. I think you have to look at the guy's medical history before jumping to conclusions. Heart disease is a common killer in the UK, thanks to our diet and drinking habits. Perhaps the Government should ban chip shops and pubs next.  

Our society has moved this way over the years. A friend of mine had his son murdered late one sat night in Leicester. Therefore I will not go into a town like that late at night on foot. It's called self preservation.

The Protest is all to often hijacked by some idiots who want to cause harm to people, for no apparent reason, except possibly part of mob mentality. This ruins anything the original genuine protesters hope to achieve.  

Its a shame, but that's currently life.

Ken

What a load of tosh  
They guy is trying to get home after finishing work at a newsagents. He's walking, away from the officers, with his hands in his pockets, and the masked, uniformed thug pushes him to the ground from behind.

His hands are in his pockets !!!  How thick does someone have to be to not realise that is an extremely stupid and dangerous thing to do.  

As for the lame statement of "What could he be hiding in his pockets ?"
The officer made no attempt to apprehend the man. He just pushed him to the ground and stepped back, thereby leaving no hope of disarming the fallen man of any weapon he may have had.  

Yes, the police have a very tough job at times, but when an officer gets it wrong, they close ranks and cover up well enough on their own with out help from members of the public.
  
As for the bottle throwing, yes, probably not even protestors, just idiots there to cause trouble.    

[mantagte]

who is say the footage is from the same period of time could have been an hour later and on the video from 1.58-2.06 there was let me see one person smashing a window
no i would not to have liked to be there but i have been in football riots where there was more trouble than that
who was threatened they were smashing windows
and i suppose if the man who died was a member of your family you would sdtill be saying the same thing
i doubt it

[Ken T]

Come on, wrong place at the wrong time. Everybody knew there was going to be trouble, because of the demonstration. When's the last time there was a peaceful demonstration ?. You see this bloke wandering through the Police lines, hands in pockets, apparently oblivious to what's happening around.  What is a Police officer to make of this ?. What could he be hiding in his pockets ?. They don't know, they are up to high alert, prepared for all sorts of trouble, and this bloke comes wandering through. The Police are only human, they can only act on what they are told to expect, if you look at what happened later, eg they were caring for him, put up themselves as a human shield, and some sh1t, sorry peaceful G20 protester threw a bottle at them. And the heart attack, what caused it ?. I think you have to look at the guy's medical history before jumping to conclusions. Heart disease is a common killer in the UK, thanks to our diet and drinking habits. Perhaps the Government should ban chip shops and pubs next.  

Our society has moved this way over the years. A friend of mine had his son murdered late one sat night in Leicester. Therefore I will not go into a town like that late at night on foot. It's called self preservation.

The Protest is all to often hijacked by some idiots who want to cause harm to people, for no apparent reason, except possibly part of mob mentality. This ruins anything the original genuine protesters hope to achieve.  

Its a shame, but that's currently life.

Ken

What a load of tosh  
They guy is trying to get home after finishing work at a newsagents. He's walking, away from the officers, with his hands in his pockets, and the masked, uniformed thug pushes him to the ground from behind.

His hands are in his pockets !!!  How thick does someone have to be to not realise that is an extremely stupid and dangerous thing to do.  

As for the lame statement of "What could he be hiding in his pockets ?"
The officer made no attempt to apprehend the man. He just pushed him to the ground and stepped back, thereby leaving no hope of disarming the fallen man of any weapon he may have had.  

Yes, the police have a very tough job at times, but when an officer gets it wrong, they close ranks and cover up well enough on their own with out help from members of the public.
  
As for the bottle throwing, yes, probably not even protestors, just idiots there to cause trouble.    

 

Nice try, but if you tap someone on the shoulder, and he turns round to the right, and produces a knife in his left hand, you are stuffed. Push him away and stand back prepared for what happens next.

ken

[mantagte]

Come on, wrong place at the wrong time. Everybody knew there was going to be trouble, because of the demonstration. When's the last time there was a peaceful demonstration ?. You see this bloke wandering through the Police lines, hands in pockets, apparently oblivious to what's happening around.  What is a Police officer to make of this ?. What could he be hiding in his pockets ?. They don't know, they are up to high alert, prepared for all sorts of trouble, and this bloke comes wandering through. The Police are only human, they can only act on what they are told to expect, if you look at what happened later, eg they were caring for him, put up themselves as a human shield, and some sh1t, sorry peaceful G20 protester threw a bottle at them. And the heart attack, what caused it ?. I think you have to look at the guy's medical history before jumping to conclusions. Heart disease is a common killer in the UK, thanks to our diet and drinking habits. Perhaps the Government should ban chip shops and pubs next.  

Our society has moved this way over the years. A friend of mine had his son murdered late one sat night in Leicester. Therefore I will not go into a town like that late at night on foot. It's called self preservation.

The Protest is all to often hijacked by some idiots who want to cause harm to people, for no apparent reason, except possibly part of mob mentality. This ruins anything the original genuine protesters hope to achieve.  

Its a shame, but that's currently life.

Ken

What a load of tosh  
They guy is trying to get home after finishing work at a newsagents. He's walking, away from the officers, with his hands in his pockets, and the masked, uniformed thug pushes him to the ground from behind.

His hands are in his pockets !!!  How thick does someone have to be to not realise that is an extremely stupid and dangerous thing to do.  

As for the lame statement of "What could he be hiding in his pockets ?"
The officer made no attempt to apprehend the man. He just pushed him to the ground and stepped back, thereby leaving no hope of disarming the fallen man of any weapon he may have had.  

Yes, the police have a very tough job at times, but when an officer gets it wrong, they close ranks and cover up well enough on their own with out help from members of the public.
  
As for the bottle throwing, yes, probably not even protestors, just idiots there to cause trouble.    

 

Nice try, but if you tap someone on the shoulder, and he turns round to the right, and produces a knife in his left hand, you are stuffed. Push him away and stand back prepared for what happens next.

ken

he didnt tap him on the shoulder he shoved him
all coppers wear stab vest so not really stuffed
there were also police dogs if he
had had a knife the dogs would have got him

[Ken T]

who is say the footage is from the same period of time could have been an hour later and on the video from 1.58-2.06 there was let me see one person smashing a window
no i would not to have liked to be there but i have been in football riots where there was more trouble than that
who was threatened they were smashing windows
and i suppose if the man who died was a member of your family you would sdtill be saying the same thing
i doubt it

I doubt any of my family would be anywhere near such a situation. They would have checked before hand to see if there were anything  they should be prepared for. Like I have seen several crashed car windscreens with hair trapped in them, people not wearing seatbelts smashing their face. I therefore trained my kids to always put their seatbelt on, first thing so it will not happen to them.

Society would be nice if you could walk whenever and wherever you wanted, without fear of trouble. Unfortunately its not going to happen any time soon.  

Ken

[mantagte]

thats avoiding  answering the question i said if it was a member of your family would you still say the same

[Turk]

Nice try, but if you tap someone on the shoulder, and he turns round to the right, and produces a knife in his left hand, you are stuffed. Push him away and stand back prepared for what happens next.

ken

Are you familiar with the saying "Still tongue...wise head" ?
...or do you have inside information that the police can now dis-arm criminals via Bluetooth or some other remote device ?

[stuart30]

OK, lets prosecute the copper for pushing too hard. The reasons for him doing so was to clear the bloke out the way, and he possibly used unreasonable force. However later on at 2:06 all the protesters are pushing the group of Police. Supposed one of them had a weak heart ?. This could have given him a heart attack as well. So you must prosecute ALL the protesters involved in this part of the action.

If people engage in mob mentality, they can't be expected to be dealt with kid gloves.

ken

Yes they should Ken...i was arrested and charged for just that offense.

I simply restrained someone from physically attacking my mum,(I stepped in at the point where he"s lunged for her) because of my size he ended up with a few bruises...broken nose and general scuffs.

As far as the police were concerned they (fools  ) believed there was no intention too harm him (fools bloody fools  )...yet they still charged me with assault.

Sorry but that copper over reacted...clearly shows him attacking the victim  for no reason...there's no evidence in that video that shows the police officer was in any danger at any time.

Bit like the footage of the Yank jets who fired on a British convoy....""Think they could be friendlies.....Yeah think so....Ahh hell lets do them""

Then

""Hell were in trouble now....""...

The copper like the gun ho yanks just simply wanted too throw his weight around....like a lot of coppers he probably suffers from small peni$  syndrome,basically they need too swagger about in a uniform because they couldn't make it in a real job...no doubt many were bullied at school...possibly bullied at school and have the small Peni$ syndrome which would be doubly embarrassing.

Lets hope he is prosecuted too the full extent of the law and spends some quality time with Buber in prison....then he will find out what a real bully is when he"s using a pork toothbrush 10 times a day too clean his teeth.

[Gaffers]

To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video.  The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.

The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more.  The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult)  The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.

Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap!  I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........

[Tommy]

Coming from an ex military policeman(a few years ago now) who was supposed to work within the same (albeit a little different) rules to the civilian police I have to say I have no respect for the police nowadays.

I have only seen the footage of the guy who died this morning and it seems it is a major over-reaction by the copper involved. As the guy had his hands in his pockets it would have been very easy to apprehend him with his hands still in his pockets and then question him. I saw the footage of the police around that broken window and I have to say that I sat there shaking my head and seeing nothing that was new.

If you have a crowd of protesters and they get 'too close' to you so you start beating them over the head with a baton (you weren't allowed to do that in my day) you are only going to make matters worse. How would you react if you were the bloke getting beaten or your mate next to you. You would get angry at the least and more battering will result. Normally the people at the front of the line are being pushed by the ones behind. You are not going to stop the bottle throwers, who by their nature are way beyond the reach of a baton, by hitting the people next to you.

Before anyone jumps at me by saying I would have reacted differently if I had been there - no I wouldn't. I have been in riots in Northen Ireland where 99% of the demonstrators wanted to snuff you out. The ones on the front line used 'reasonable force' which in my day was called minimum force. That was by dragging the trouble makers through the line where they were dealt with from within. The bottle throwers were left to another day if there wasn't enough manpower. Incidentally those bottles contained petrol with a burning rag!!!

The police these days have no real controls and can get away with all sorts. How come 'traffic cops' who are off duty and in their own car can be clocked doing well over 100 miles per hour but they don't get banned but they are trained drivers? So am I but to a bigger extent than them but i would be banned in a heartbeat

I don't even want to go into shootings like the guy in the tube station.

[stuart30]

To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video.  The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.

The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more.  The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult)  The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.

Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap!  I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........

Now lets be honest...i pushed over Joe bloggs and he later died id be arrested and charged before i could blink.

Sorry but this type of behaviour (police) just reinforces my attitude towards them....i wouldnt piddle on them if they were on fire.

Nice post Tommy....

[Gaffers]

To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video.  The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.

The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more.  The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult)  The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.

Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap!  I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........

Now lets be honest...i pushed over Joe bloggs and he later died id be arrested and charged before i could blink.

Sorry but this type of behaviour (police) just reinforces my attitude towards them....i wouldnt piddle on them if they were on fire.

Nice post Tommy....

I agree arrested maybe, but only a fool would charge you for it as medically it is very difficult to prove a link.

[stuart30]

To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video.  The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.

The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more.  The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult)  The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.

Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap!  I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........

Now lets be honest...i pushed over Joe bloggs and he later died id be arrested and charged before i could blink.

Sorry but this type of behaviour (police) just reinforces my attitude towards them....i wouldnt piddle on them if they were on fire.

Nice post Tommy....

I agree arrested maybe, but only a fool would charge you for it as medically it is very difficult to prove a link.

Im sure if memory serves me right there was a burglar who was charged with an old persons death even though they died later after billy burglar had gone. :-/

[Gaffers]

To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video.  The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.

The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more.  The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult)  The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.

Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap!  I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........

Now lets be honest...i pushed over Joe bloggs and he later died id be arrested and charged before i could blink.

Sorry but this type of behaviour (police) just reinforces my attitude towards them....i wouldnt piddle on them if they were on fire.

Nice post Tommy....

I agree arrested maybe, but only a fool would charge you for it as medically it is very difficult to prove a link.

Im sure if memory serves me right there was a burglar who was charged with an old persons death even though they died later after billy burglar had gone. :-/

Maybe but its very thin ice