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[Martin_1962]

I would assume only a couple of boxes were monitored and the comment was more of a be careful rather than a monitor - think how much work it would be.

That said there is information in mine which would cause havok if it got out but I would trust the Admins not to look - especially as most of them are from TB and are about setting up my webspace and email.

As to why they were chosen - possibly due to PMs to people who reported them, or because they were known trouble makers.

I would say that mine, NickBat, Optimist60, STMOs and Entwoods PMs were NOT monitored at all.

And probably only monitored LooKnees for a laugh!

As to the start of this - I think the person involved threw teddies away before after a big slanging match, pretty sure he went away for about a year, this will happen again I think.

This forum was set up BTW for our chance not to be over moderated, we do need to respect that and not push it.

[Martin_1962]

But I do feel that the admin team has lost it's way a little today. :-/

The admin team has said............and I quote.

"just so everybody is aware .....................I will be putting a monitor on certain people's PM boxes......................This gives me the ability to view   PRIVATE MESSAGES."

I am sure if this did happen that it was only a threat and that all but one or two would be unaffected.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I hear what you are all saying.....
But.
The Admins have done something to stop all this Madness that is happening of late.

I for one love a laugh and a joke and have spent hours on here since joining over 2 years ago, meeting some lovely people and hopefully some more. I have made friends with people as yet I have not met.
It really comes down to us as Members, if we can't behave like grown ups it will ruin this Once Brilliant Forum, then we will all be at a loss.

Hotel21 is one of the nicest Blokes I have ever come across (I am not arse licking in anyway) and that would be a great loss to lose him too.

I am sure none of us want this Forum to close or finish so lets pull together and let it carry on like it has been doing for the last two and a half years

Cheers
Daz

But knowing sometimes personal and intimate details(although not in my case) :will not stop "outbursts" .......................on OOF
There is absolutely NO REASON............for the Admin team to know what is in our PM Box..........NONE. :-/ :-/

I disagree. If folks start using/abusing the "Personal message" system the Admins have every right to monitor, delete, and ban.. if required.. as they see fit. It is "Their" site .. NOT "ours" ... there is no such thing as a "Private message".

What you should be thinking is very simple .......  just why do some idiots make the Admins have to go to such extremes . Don't have a go at the Admins.. support them as they are the ones that keep the forum going ... and they have enough to do without having to monitor PM's

Some folks seem to think that the forum is a place they can do what they want, others that it is some sort of democracy. It is neither.

And IMHO the majority like it that way.

Thank you to every Admin.

Read the first part of my post again Entwood.................and you'll see that I do .....................I just don't agree with the idea that anything that I take to be private ......is in fact not.............As Lizzie wrote earlier in this thread............There is nothing to fear from what members say to each other in private.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I would assume only a couple of boxes were monitored and the comment was more of a be careful rather than a monitor - think how much work it would be.

That said there is information in mine which would cause havok if it got out but I would trust the Admins not to look - especially as most of them are from TB and are about setting up my webspace and email.

As to why they were chosen - possibly due to PMs to people who reported them, or because they were known trouble makers.

I would say that mine, NickBat, Optimist60, STMOs and Entwoods PMs were NOT monitored at all.

And probably only monitored LooKnees for a laugh!

As to the start of this - I think the person involved threw teddies away before after a big slanging match, pretty sure he went away for about a year, this will happen again I think.

This forum was set up BTW for our chance not to be over moderated, we do need to respect that and not push it.

There is nothing very interesting in mine Martin..................just on a point of principle really.......It's not necessary .......the thin end of the wedge. :-/

[Kevin Wood]

In Utopia perhaps..............but in reality Nickbat ................good old human nature means that people do all sorts of things ..............for all sorts of reasons..............sometimes because they can.

Blimey! If that's true I would like the Admin team to let me into the secret of how they have managed to negotiate themselves 48 hour days.  

I spend what I consider to be a fairly large proportion of my life here and I don't by a large margin read all the posts in the public areas. Do we honestly believe the admin team have enough time on their hands to, in addition to viewing and moderating what is posted in public, go thumbing through people's Inboxes just because they are nosey?

As said, the PM system is provided by the forum and the admins have a responsibility to ensure it is not being abused.

If you can't live with that use google mail, yahoo, etc. instead but be aware that they are also monitoring their service to ensure it is not being abused!

Kevin

[Mr Skrunts]

Couple of thing's for you to think about.

TB did'nt have to tell us that any PM service may be monitored.

As well as PM's there is the option of MSN, Skype or YIM.



Now consider this.  If you were Admin and things got out of hand in public, do you.

A. Montitor PM's and say nothing.

B. Mention PM Monitoring and hope that people take heed.

C. Turn off the PM system completly.

D.  Shut the chat room for a week and let everyone work out what they used to do when they had some spare time.

F.  Shut the chat room permantly and make it a boring Q&A site

G. Shut the forum and stop all the hassle and free up your own free time.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

In Utopia perhaps..............but in reality Nickbat ................good old human nature means that people do all sorts of things ..............for all sorts of reasons..............sometimes because they can.

Blimey! If that's true I would like the Admin team to let me into the secret of how they have managed to negotiate themselves 48 hour days.  

I spend what I consider to be a fairly large proportion of my life here and I don't by a large margin read all the posts in the public areas. Do we honestly believe the admin team have enough time on their hands to, in addition to viewing and moderating what is posted in public, go thumbing through people's Inboxes just because they are nosey?

As said, the PM system is provided by the forum and the admins have a responsibility to ensure it is not being abused.

If you can't live with that use google mail, yahoo, etc. instead but be aware that they are also monitoring their service to ensure it is not being abused!

Kevin

True Kevin, as is GCHQ at Cheltenham and other USA installations constantly!!

[STMO123]

Couple of thing's for you to think about.

TB did'nt have to tell us that any PM service may be monitored.

As well as PM's there is the option of MSN, Skype or YIM.



Now consider this.  If you were Admin and things got out of hand in public, do you.

A. Montitor PM's and say nothing.

B. Mention PM Monitoring and hope that people take heed.

C. Turn off the PM system completly.

D.  Shut the chat room for a week and let everyone work out what they used to do when they had some spare time.

F.  Shut the chat room permantly and make it a boring Q&A site

G. Shut the forum and stop all the hassle and free up your own free time.

Or, in your case, kill yourself.

[unlucky alf]

just stop & think for one moment oofers, this is ridiculous as its taken a couple of non descript chavs [or so it seems] to upset the majority of us dedicated [or fanatical in some cases ]nearly to the point of total OOF breakdown, it reminds me of the A.M c,b radio days where some plebs got hold of a cheap c,b radio & made a complete nuisance of themselves by deliberately upsetting others, call it boredom or call it infantile its the sad way some get their kicks, perhaps a yellow/red card system could be instigated so after one warning you know that your next is your last, anyhow thats my 2 bobs worth

[Dusty]

Couple of thing's for you to think about.

TB did'nt have to tell us that any PM service may be monitored.

As well as PM's there is the option of MSN, Skype or YIM.



Now consider this.  If you were Admin and things got out of hand in public, do you.

A. Montitor PM's and say nothing.

B. Mention PM Monitoring and hope that people take heed.

C. Turn off the PM system completly.

D.  Shut the chat room for a week and let everyone work out what they used to do when they had some spare time.

F.  Shut the chat room permantly and make it a boring Q&A site

G. Shut the forum and stop all the hassle and free up your own free time.

Or H....make sure that all PM boxes are private and confidential  Skruntie.
So that forum members can feel free to write what they wish without being concerned who else is reading it.It's called privacy.

[Jimbob]

just stop & think for one moment oofers, this is ridiculous as its taken a couple of non descript chavs [or so it seems] to upset the majority of us dedicated [or fanatical in some cases ]nearly to the point of total OOF breakdown, it reminds me of the A.M c,b radio days where some plebs got hold of a cheap c,b radio & made a complete nuisance of themselves by deliberately upsetting others, call it boredom or call it infantile its the sad way some get their kicks, perhaps a yellow/red card system could be instigated so after one warning you know that your next is your last, anyhow thats my 2 bobs worth

Enough of the insults!

Thats what started all this off in the first place  

[platty]

You may be one of the "certain people" yourself Platty.So may any forum member. :-/

I could well be, but I doubt it. Even if I was I feel that they are free to look all they wish as they provide me with that service in the first place.

That is my entire point - we are here out of choice, not obligation.

[Entwood]

Or H....make sure that all PM boxes are private and confidential  Skruntie.
So that forum members can feel free to write what they wish without being concerned who else is reading it.It's called privacy.

PM does NOT mean "Private" or "Confidential" ... there are no such concepts on the internet, and that is something a lot of folks don't realise. Everything you do, every keypress and mouse click, has an effect somewhere that is recorded or logged, along with a great deal more information than you realise.

If you want a "private" conversation ... DO NOT have it on the internet, and that includes SKYPE.

Back on topic, A forum owner could be taken to court if bullying or worse was taking place in PM's and they did nothing about it, and "electronic bullying" is becoming a problem in the real world.

The Admins/owners must have the right to read everything that is put on "their" site, be it public or not. If you/we/I don't like the way they do this we have one simple option.

And I'm not leaving ....  

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Or H....make sure that all PM boxes are private and confidential  Skruntie.
So that forum members can feel free to write what they wish without being concerned who else is reading it.It's called privacy.

PM does NOT mean "Private" or "Confidential" ... there are no such concepts on the internet, and that is something a lot of folks don't realise. Everything you do, every keypress and mouse click, has an effect somewhere that is recorded or logged, along with a great deal more information than you realise.

If you want a "private" conversation ... DO NOT have it on the internet, and that includes SKYPE.

Back on topic, A forum owner could be taken to court if bullying or worse was taking place in PM's and they did nothing about it, and "electronic bullying" is becoming a problem in the real world.

The Admins/owners must have the right to read everything that is put on "their" site, be it public or not. If you/we/I don't like the way they do this we have one simple option.

And I'm not leaving ....  

That's very good to hear Entwood!!

[Mr Skrunts]

Couple of thing's for you to think about.

TB did'nt have to tell us that any PM service may be monitored.

As well as PM's there is the option of MSN, Skype or YIM.



Now consider this.  If you were Admin and things got out of hand in public, do you.

A. Montitor PM's and say nothing.

B. Mention PM Monitoring and hope that people take heed.

C. Turn off the PM system completly.

D.  Shut the chat room for a week and let everyone work out what they used to do when they had some spare time.

F.  Shut the chat room permantly and make it a boring Q&A site

G. Shut the forum and stop all the hassle and free up your own free time.

Or H....make sure that all PM boxes are private and confidential  Skruntie.
So that forum members can feel free to write what they wish without being concerned who else is reading it.It's called privacy.

Which is why I started the thread with this.

Couple of thing's for you to think about.

TB did'nt have to tell us that any PM service may be monitored.

As well as PM's there is the option of MSN, Skype or YIM.

and then if you read the rest of what I put as "If YOU were"